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Old Norm
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posted 04-12-2020 09:36 AM
When we say "U.S. has the most cases and deaths", that means we are taking China's word about theirs. Do any of you actually believe them?
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posted 04-12-2020 09:42 AM
Norm,
No, I do not believe them.
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posted 04-12-2020 09:45 AM
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When we say "U.S. has the most cases and deaths", that means we are taking China's word about theirs. Do any of you actually believe them?
Not for a millisecond. Even if China has 5x what they have reported it is still less than the US. That kind of coverup would be difficult even for China.
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posted 04-12-2020 09:53 AM
Nor do I. Believe them even less than Russia but slightly more than n Korea.
Which brings up another thought. Has anyone given any consideration to asking Boris Johnson to go to N Korea to negotiate a nuclear treaty?
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posted 04-12-2020 10:43 AM
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posted 04-12-2020 11:02 AM
MM,
I just don't know where you get your facts. According to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus map, the US has now tested 2,688,766 people. South Korea has tested fewer than 500,000 people, less than 1/5 the number we have tested, or roughly the same percentage of their population.
So far, there have been 110,052 deaths from COVID-19. Worldwide. When you look at comparable populations and wealth, Europe has far more deaths than the US, and far more active cases. China's numbers are more likely off by a factor of 10... stories of funeral parlors with coffins stacked up in Wuhan don't jibe with the modest numbers "officially" reported.
One interesting note is that China signed the "Phase I" trade deal only after getting the US to agree to a clause that said that China did not have to buy all the goods they promised to buy from the US if there was an "act of God, pandemic, ...". This was in January, so they forced that clause in AFTER they knew what was coming. They did NOT close their borders to air travel, they did nothing to prevent the spread of the virus to the rest of the world. They sealed off Wuhan province, lied about the problem repeatedly, bought off the WHO, and watched as the world was set afire by the virus they released.
In addition, they began to corner the market on PPE and other essentials to fight the virus, leaving the rest of us hapless. If you want to be upset at someone, try directing your ire at the Chinese, not Trump!
The good news today is that the number of cases worldwide seems to have hit a peak and we may be seeing a gradual decline. The bad news is that the world will now have to deal with the economic disaster it has created. There is nothing like panic to force bad decisions, and I am afraid most nations have lost their minds.
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posted 04-12-2020 12:19 PM
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I just don't know where you get your facts. According to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus map, the US has now tested 2,688,766 people. South Korea has tested fewer than 500,000 people, less than 1/5 the number we have tested, or roughly the same percentage of their population.
So, what's made the difference?...When you started testing...the single most important thing.
From mid-Jan. to the End of Feb. the US had tested fewer than 4,000 people of the available 160,000 cdc test. Remember, our first confirmed case was Jan 20...6 WEEKS later and we have tested less than 4,000 people. Talking about a classic case of closing the gate after the cows are out!
Where do you think we would be today if we had tested 2,688,766 people by the end of Feb instead of 4,000....I see no reason why we couldn't have or shouldn't have.
S. Korea was capable of testing 10,000/day virtually from the get go. Either they were given a heads up or they just know what they're doing and we don't!
Even to this day there is no national plan for testing...Trump said he didn't think testing was necessary...WTF!
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posted 04-12-2020 12:34 PM
MM, who do you think should've been tested back in January and how do you think that testing should've been carried out?
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posted 04-12-2020 12:44 PM
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MM, who do you think should've been tested back in January and how do you think that testing should've been carried out?
I don't have a clue, PC.
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posted 04-12-2020 12:58 PM
I saw where Biden is already saying what he would do to get the country back open … hmmmmmmm last time I checked he wasn't the President and from lots of opinions he won't be the Dems final choice. (Maybe maybe not).
I just love when people that have nothing to do with anything start saying what they would do or wouldn't do... love hearing Hollywood people tell me where I am wrong and what I should be doing. Mark Walberg actually told Hollywood to back off because they didn't live in the everyday persons world. Biden needs to STHU along with all the other politians that think we want to hear what they have to say.
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posted 04-12-2020 01:10 PM
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Biden needs to STHU along with all the other politians that think we want to hear what they have to say.
Biden and "all the other politicians" probably ain't talking to you, MEL...they know you're not listening!
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posted 04-12-2020 01:23 PM
Last report has Beijing China having 432 confirmed cases and only 8 deaths. How is that possible ??? They are either lying through their teeth (which I believe) or they have something to do with how it spread (which I totally believe). Something really fishy about this whole thing. If you look at Africa as a continent they haven't had as much as the more civilized countries … hmmmmmm only 400 or so deaths in Africa (51 countries). Something really hinky going on with this virus.
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posted 04-12-2020 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by MountainMafia:
MEL:
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Biden needs to STHU along with all the other politians that think we want to hear what they have to say.
Biden and "all the other politicians" probably ain't talking to you, MEL...they know you're not listening!
You are right MM, I ain't listening to Creepy Joe !!!
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posted 04-12-2020 01:31 PM
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Last report has Beijing China having 432 confirmed cases and only 8 deaths. How is that possible ??? They are either lying through their teeth (which I believe) or they have something to do with how it spread (which I totally believe). Something really fishy about this whole thing. If you look at Africa as a continent they haven't had as much as the more civilized countries … hmmmmmm only 400 or so deaths in Africa (51 countries). Something really hinky going on with this virus.
And?
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posted 04-12-2020 02:09 PM
And you can't trust China with anything and can't compare cases and deaths to them. IMHO there is no way in hell they can only have 8 deaths in a city the size of Beijing unless they are hiding something or multiple somethings !!!
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posted 04-12-2020 02:16 PM
They're probably hiding everything, MEL. How is complaining about that helping us now?
Guys, if we don't get our schit together and fix this damn thing.....
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posted 04-12-2020 02:54 PM
I didn't say it helped us now. "You" keep saying that we have the most cases and deaths of any country, I am just saying that probably isn't correct. Also we have approximately 1,000 deaths more than Italy yet around 5 times the population. I am just saying stats can be misleading.
I am also reading they think we have hit the peak and hopefully going down. Not sure if this turns out to be true or not or if we have rebounds from it in the future. Just saying that is what is being said.
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posted 04-12-2020 03:37 PM
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How is complaining about that helping us now?
I think you might ought to ask yourself that same question.
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posted 04-12-2020 04:17 PM
Exactly Norm …
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posted 04-12-2020 04:24 PM
If stating facts is complaining...there’s more to come.
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posted 04-12-2020 04:45 PM
It isn't so much stating the facts, MM. It is the palpable fear that permeates your posts.
We are all aware of ALL the things we can do to protect ourselves. Beyond that, it is out of our hands. Spreading fear about things none of us can control is doing nobody any favors.
We are all doing what we deem is the appropriate measures of self-protection -- social distancing, staying in our home waaaay more than we want, ordering things online instead of going out and shopping, and washing EVERYTHING -- mail, packages, groceries, and especially, hands.
You, nor I, can change the facts beyond that. I would give Trump a B+ in his actions during this pandemic (NOT his words, mind you). Could he have done better? Yes, as the facts have unfolded, earlier intervention would have been better. And, I think history will reveal that the economic damage we have brought upon our country will exceed the prevention we bought with it.
Dr. Fauci is an expert in his field. He knows what measures can be taken to slow the spread of this virus. We ALL know those things now, and for the most part, we have done them. But Dr. Fauci is not God, nor is he qualified to direct a nation's self-destruction to fulfill his plan. His expertise, like all specialists, is very deep but very narrow. He has a GREAT on-camera presence, and I am glad he is helping us, but this has become far more than an epidemilogical issue. It is now an issue of national economic catastrophe. Even if we pull sharply out of the crisis, we just incurred an additional $2.2 billion in debt, and we are about to add another $2.3 billion on top of that. And there is no guarantee that those billions of dollars of debt will even work.
So, let's all sit back, talk sports and politics, and let the pandemic play out. There just really isn't much more we can do.
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posted 04-12-2020 05:35 PM
Trillions, Tip. Trillions.
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posted 04-12-2020 06:20 PM
Oopsie. Factors of 1000 come and go. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted 04-12-2020 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by MountainMafia:
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I just don't know where you get your facts. According to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus map, the US has now tested 2,688,766 people. South Korea has tested fewer than 500,000 people, less than 1/5 the number we have tested, or roughly the same percentage of their population.
So, what's made the difference?...When you started testing...the single most important thig.
If the do nothing Democrats would have been concerned with the virus, instead of the impeachment sham,we could have sealed off the country. President Trump shut down commercial flights from China in January. All the Democrats cared about was impeachment. They called him a racist. Democrats need to look in the mirror and take responsibility for what they've done.
From mid-Jan. to the End of Feb. the US had tested fewer than 4,000 people of the available 160,000 cdc test. Remember, our first confirmed case was Jan 20...6 WEEKS later and we have tested less than 4,000 people. Talking about a classic case of closing the gate after the cows are out!
Where do you think we would be today if we had tested 2,688,766 people by the end of Feb instead of 4,000....I see no reason why we couldn't have or shouldn't have.
S. Korea was capable of testing 10,000/day virtually from the get go. Either they were given a heads up or they just know what they're doing and we don't!
Even to this day there is no national plan for testing...Trump said he didn't think testing was necessary...WTF!
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posted 04-12-2020 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by rlt4uk:
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Originally posted by MountainMafia:
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I just don't know where you get your facts. According to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus map, the US has now tested 2,688,766 people. South Korea has tested fewer than 500,000 people, less than 1/5 the number we have tested, or roughly the same percentage of their population.
So, what's made the difference?...When you started testing...the single most important thig.
If the do nothing Democrats would have been concerned with the virus, instead of the impeachment sham,we could have sealed off the country. President Trump shut down commercial flights from China in January. All the Democrats cared about was impeachment. They called him a racist. Democrats need to look in the mirror and take responsibility for what they've done.
From mid-Jan. to the End of Feb. the US had tested fewer than 4,000 people of the available 160,000 cdc test. Remember, our first confirmed case was Jan 20...6 WEEKS later and we have tested less than 4,000 people. Talking about a classic case of closing the gate after the cows are out!
Where do you think we would be today if we had tested 2,688,766 people by the end of Feb instead of 4,000....I see no reason why we couldn't have or shouldn't have.
S. Korea was capable of testing 10,000/day virtually from the get go. Either they were given a heads up or they just know what they're doing and we don't!
Even to this day there is no national plan for testing...Trump said he didn't think testing was necessary...WTF!
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posted 04-12-2020 08:05 PM
I tried to add my two cents to this post but it just keeps reposting MM. I guess it's just as well, because I would have probably been asked to leave the Catsdomain.
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posted 04-12-2020 08:07 PM
I had the same problem yesterday
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posted 04-12-2020 08:11 PM
Maybe you can just post without the quote ???
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posted 04-12-2020 09:40 PM
See that set of quotation marks right next to the pencil and pad above the posts? Just go to the post you want to reply to, click on the quotes and a new box will open. You'll see the quote. Just type below the quote. Its magic!
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posted 04-12-2020 09:46 PM
I did that Norm and it wouldn't let me post my reply under the quote. Fist time it had done that to me … logged out and relogged in and it still wouldn't work.
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posted 04-12-2020 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Old Norm:
See that set of quotation marks right next to the pencil and pad above the posts? Just go to the post you want to reply to, click on the quotes and a new box will open. You'll see the quote. Just type below the quote. Its magic!
Works for me!
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posted 04-12-2020 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by Old Norm:
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Originally posted by Old Norm:
See that set of quotation marks right next to the pencil and pad above the posts? Just go to the post you want to reply to, click on the quotes and a new box will open. You'll see the quote. Just type below the quote. Its magic!
Works for me!
See I can do it too … not dumb. But it wouldn't let me yesterday.
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posted 04-12-2020 11:12 PM
The power is out here and all I have is mamma’s IPad, which I know nothing about...Don’t know how to copy and paste so I’ll do the best I can.
Tip:
First, let me apologize for my last snarky post.
Fear don’t necessarily mean to run, hide and cower down, it can serve to motivate us to heighten our awareness, strengthen our resolve and quicken our response.
Complacency, on the other hand, is a recipe for disaster.
‘Dr. Fauci is an expert in his field. He knows what measures can be taken to slow the spread of this virus. We ALL know those things now, and for the most part, we have done them”.
And they’re working! ...this is not one of those times where “it’s good enough for government work “. Until we get a vaccine that’s all we have.
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I would give Trump a B+ in his actions during this pandemic
Please elaborate on that...I really want to know why?
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posted 04-12-2020 11:26 PM
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If the do nothing Democrats would have been concerned with the virus, instead of the impeachment sham,we could have sealed off the country. President Trump shut down commercial flights from China in January. All the Democrats cared about was impeachment. They called him a racist. Democrats need to look in the mirror and take responsibility for what they've done.
Trump was acquitted Feb 5th. The Senate took a 5-day weekend, then came back and began confirming federal judges, members of Congress found time to dump and buy stocks...miraculously just before the crash and Trump played golf and held rallies while, at the same time, downplaying the seriousness of the virus....that’s the Democrats fault?
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posted 04-13-2020 04:54 AM
Yeah, MM, and if you want to do a little research you will see that on Saturday Feb. 29th Willie Giest had Dr. Fauci on the Today show and asked him point blank is this serious enough that we need to be changing the way we live? His answer is not at this time but things could change quickly. So, just 6 short weeks ago even our so called experts were saying to live our lives normally!
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posted 04-13-2020 08:54 AM
In 6 short weeks we’ve gone from 1 death to over 20,000...this virus has a habit of doing that!
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posted 04-13-2020 10:49 AM
I think we need to quit laying blame on anyone … the virus is a killer and no one knew what is was going to be like and we can blame anyone and everyone but President Trump couldn't have stopped it nor could President Obama or any other President. Things happen and we can always look back and say they should have done this and should have done that. All that means is it is hind sight and too late. We have to move forward and fight it day to day and adjust as we go. There have been over 40,000 maybe up to 60,000 deaths caused by the flu in 2019-1020 but no one seems to worry about that or the 35,000+ average deaths by cars the past 4-5 years (that I checked). Why are we still driving ??? Death is going to happen and in lots of ways from cancer, the flu, cars, suicide, heart attacks and we can go on and on but to lay blame is the easy way out IMHO.
We learn from what we have done and haven't done and we go on from there. I think President Trump has done as good of a job as he could not knowing what this was going to turn into. Would some other President done better ??? Maybe but that is all conjecture, absolutely so way to know for sure and I am sure there have been many Presidents that would have done worse.
Hopefully we are getting to the point of the deaths going downhill (yes they may come back with a rebound but we are learning more everyday).
It is time we step up and learn from and fight the virus not lay blame, that is a never ending fight that I am sure the politians will continue well after this is all over. They hate Trump for whatever reasons and that won't change. If it was a Dem President in office the Reps would be doing some of the same things I am sure. Again it is time to empty the damn swamp and get people in office that care about the people of the United States not the ones that can get them the votes they want !!!
Sorry for the novel... just tired of all the laying of blame.
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posted 04-13-2020 11:44 AM
Amen Mel - as most things in Wash, this has turned totally Political. Just the last event in a number of events that the Democratic mass and the Media use to get rid of trump in the upcoming election. Heck you can see it clearly in this thread,,
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posted 04-13-2020 11:55 AM
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Dr. Fauci is an expert in his field. He knows what measures can be taken to slow the spread of this virus. We ALL know those things now, and for the most part, we have done them. But Dr. Fauci is not God, nor is he qualified to direct a nation's self-destruction to fulfill his plan. His expertise, like all specialists, is very deep but very narrow. He has a GREAT on-camera presence, and I am glad he is helping us, but this has become far more than an epidemilogical issue. It is now an issue of national economic catastrophe. Even if we pull sharply out of the crisis, we just incurred an additional $2.2 billion in debt, and we are about to add another $2.3 billion on top of that. And there is no guarantee that those billions of dollars of debt will even work.
Tip, I'm not insensitive to the economic impact caused by covid. It's already horrendous and going to get worse. My business-owner brother has closed his doors and is not sure if he will even reopen.
If you had cancer would you stop treatment half-way through just because the tumor was shrinking but not gone? What do you think the outcome would be?...not only for you but your family as well.
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posted 04-13-2020 12:05 PM
How many people die of hunger every day? The FAO estimates that as many as 25,000 people lose their lives every day as a result of hunger. That adds up to roughly 9.1 million people who die of starvation each year.Sep 11, 2015
Coronavirus is peanuts compared to this “epidemic”. Rarely, if ever do we hear about this in the news. I know America first and all that and starvation is relatively rare in our country but still.
Sometimes it’s helpful to keep things in perspective, at least for me.
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