posted 06-07-2024 09:27 AM                    

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Originally posted by ProBlue:
If he goes to the Lakers and U Conn needs a coach bet Cal is kicking himself for jumping the gun to Ark.

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posted 06-07-2024 01:07 PM                    

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Originally posted by ProBlue:
If he goes to the Lakers and U Conn needs a coach bet Cal is kicking himself for jumping the gun to Ark.

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posted 06-07-2024 01:19 PM                    

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Originally posted by Trey Ball:

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Originally posted by ProBlue:
If he goes to the Lakers and U Conn needs a coach bet Cal is kicking himself for jumping the gun to Ark.

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The Arkansas job is about 1000% better than the UCONN job.

UCONN has to get themselves into the ACC/Big 10/SEC or they are going to be left behind with the new Pay for Play in College Athletics and I am sure Danny Hurley knows that. He may choose to stay because they can make a run again next year, but after that it is going to get much more difficult because they only get around $4.5 Million per year from the Big East....Whereas the SEC schools get $51.3 Million.

Arkansas doesn't even have to worry about creating a collective with their three Multi Billionaire backers.

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posted 06-10-2024 10:42 AM                    

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Originally posted by Trey Ball:
I side with the courts and the kids on this.....They absolutely should be getting paid. College Ahtletics is a multi billion dollar business based upon the athletic gifts of the participants.

Without the participants there would not be a multi billion dollar business.

Ask yourself this....Are you willing to work for free? If you answer yes, then I can understand your view. If you answer no, I am not sure how you can have any other view than they should be paid.

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posted 06-10-2024 02:41 PM                    

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Originally posted by PaulCat:
As far as I remember, basketball is an extra-curricular activity. It's not work.

If a kid doesn't like that schools are making money, they can always drop out and really go to work.

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posted 06-10-2024 10:01 PM                    

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Originally posted by Tiptree:
Nope. Not buying it. I am way too traditional and simple-minded for this.

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posted 06-11-2024 10:00 AM                    

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Originally posted by handycat:
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. I want to go back to the old days where everyone just cheated and tried to beat the system. This is just BS having everything out in the open for everyone to see.

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LMAO!

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Wife's Mad. Told me we never talk anymore. And just last nite while watching super bowl told her 2 or 3 times to get me a coke and popcorn. Also told her not to forget to take out trash in the morning. Ain't that something. Also told me I was too indecisive. Can't figure out what to do about that. One nice thing I guess. She called me a pro crastinator. Don't know what a crastinator is but I guess I'm a good one for her to call me a pro. Gonna wait til tomorrow to look that up though. I love her but somrtimes can't help but thinking I should have told uncle Junior to keep his coon hound pup and stevens double barrel and also his youngest daughter.

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posted 06-11-2024 11:11 PM                    

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Originally posted by ukman:
But they should not be getting "paid" for playing basketball for the university.

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posted 06-12-2024 07:08 PM                    

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But they should not be getting "paid" for playing basketball for the university.

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I understand what you guys are saying about how you feel. Just know that once the NCAA Settled for $2.9 Billion.........players will be paid now and into the future. The courts basically told the NCAA to settle or not exist because they were going to lose the cases on the merits of the law. The NCAA got off "cheap" with the $2.9 Billion settlement going back 10 years and are in the process of figure out how to pay athletes going forward.

It's a done deal that athletes will be paid and not paid just NIL.

I just happen to be on the other end of many of the opinions on here and believe they should be paid. Anyone that thinks that players at the Blue Blood schools for the last 45 years have been playing secondary and the "education" they were getting was primary is kidding themselves.

They were just "paid below the table" professionals for a long time. Now they will be paid above the table.

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posted 06-12-2024 10:47 PM                    

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Originally posted by ukman:
IF I am an employee of a company and come up with some great invention, or idea for them, they are going to be the one making the most money.

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posted 06-12-2024 10:55 PM                    

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I know there was underhanded stuff all along, but it typically wasn't millions of dollars, or hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's here to stay, I just hate it.

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posted 06-13-2024 07:35 AM                   

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Originally posted by Trey Ball:
Slavery was abolished in this country in 1865......unless you happened to be a collegiate athlete....."collegiate slavery" will be abolished in 2025 FINALLY.

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Trey, I'm starting to think that we took different history classes in high school. I'm pretty sure that back in 1865 Mr. and Mrs. Peabody weren't providing their slaves a free college education, excellent shoes and clothing, free airfare/travel when they were loaned out to other slave farms, top of the line boarding houses, as well as all the extras that come with being a college athlete (such as strippers and - oh wait, that was just Louisville). Also, and I think this might be important - they probably didn't provide a choice. I respect just about everything you post on this board, but to compare college athletics to slavery??? C'mon, bro.

posted 06-13-2024 09:27 AM                    

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IF I am an employee of a company and come up with some great invention, or idea for them, they are going to be the one making the most money.

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A couple of huge points that are a big difference between being an employee at a company selling a product to an end consumer vs. what the NCAA has been doing for years in my opinion.

1. You would be an employee of said company. The NCAA is ADAMENT that the athletes are not employees and want to keep it that way.

2. Your company more than likely sells a product or a service that does not involve you as the "main" ingredient in such product or service.

Without the athletes the NCAA has absolutely nothing to sell.

So the NCAA has said for years. You are not an employee and should not be paid because of such, but "YOU" Mr./Mrs. Athletes ARE the product I am selling and you get none of that as well.

It is absolutely ludicrous that they NCAA was allowed to make BILLIONS per year and not pay the athletes. Slavery was abolished in this country in 1865......unless you happened to be a collegiate athlete....."collegiate slavery" will be abolished in 2025 FINALLY.

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posted 06-13-2024 04:31 PM                    

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It is absolutely ludicrous that they NCAA was allowed to make BILLIONS per year and not pay the athletes. Slavery was abolished in this country in 1865......unless you happened to be a collegiate athlete....."collegiate slavery" will be abolished in 2025 FINALLY.
Oh, come on, Trey. Really???? Students are not slaves. There is nothing they do that is not 100% voluntary. Playing the "slavery" card is just ridiculous, and now opens up the whole race-baiting thing.

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I would also say you would be surprised at the amount of money that was changing hands among the top colleges and athletes.

My collegiate roommate at Ball State University was a high jumper on the track and field team and was pulling down $10k per year from "boosters" from 1988 to 1992. A high jumper on a MAC track team. Crazy stuff at a small school. I sometimes use a consultant at work. He played football for Miss State from 1972 to 1975. He got paid back then to play. Received a new car his first day on campus at Miss State. He was recruited by Alabama and Coach Bryant and has told me a story about keeping the change of $100 bill after Bear Bryant had him go get Coke's for them to talk. Told him to keep the change and if he came to Bama that would be in his mailbox everyday.

Watch the Johnny Manziel special. He was rolling in Cash at Texas A&M, the Fab Five at Michigan were as well. Watch "The Scheme" and you will just see how much money was changing hands and how it was going down.

Think about it, the FBI got involved because of the amount of money that was changing hands under the table. The Scheme goes into detail on how they wanted to entrap the coaches to make it a Federal offense but Christian Watkins would not give any of them up and went to prison himself. He did alright though because he kept all of the money the dirty FBI agent had given him.
So, your argument is saying "Well, everybody was cheating anyway, so let's just make it legal".

Hmmm... so, if enough people engage in illegal activity, it should just be OK? Or, more than OK, sanctioned?

Nope. Not for me. I will exit this debate, but it seems you are speaking from "what is", and I am speaking from "what should be". I categorically reject the idea of paying college athletes on principle that, in fact (as the NCAA insists), they are not employees.

In fact, I would argue that the reason that the NCAA is willing to do this is to divert the attention away from the real corruption, which is within the NCAA itself. What is the mission of the NCAA? Who controls it? How much money does it need to accomplish its mission?

THOSE are questions that should be looked into.

Lastly, as ukman suggested, what the courts ruled was that students should be able to make money off of their name, image, and likeness. I am 100% OK with that. But that is VERY DIFFERENT from what it rapidly evolved to, which is essentially allowing billionaires to legally pool money to implement a pay-for-play system. It isn't tied to selling licensed t-shirts or gear or making TV commercials. It is now an unregulated playground for the uber-wealthy. And, if you want to go back to your 'slavery' concept, are not students now being bought?

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posted 06-13-2024 04:34 PM                    

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Originally posted by ukman:
I There also need to be a cap system put in place.

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posted 06-14-2024 12:39 PM                    

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’m thinking seriously about becoming a girls beach volleyball fan.

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