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Trey Ball
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posted 06-14-2024 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Tiptree:
... and now it suddenly has become its own entity, a world only loosely connected with the university.
Tip,
I understand your view better now. I will just say that I don't think I would say "suddenly has become it's own entity, a world only loosely connected with the university.
I think College Sports has been it's own entity for decades. Athletics and Academics have been loosely connected since the late 1980's. It just was never official.
So for my point of view I would say "Officially" vs. Suddenly.
Now that schools can tie payments to players above board vs underhanded, maybe they can entice kids to stay longer at one University vs. going pro after a year or hopping to another school via the transfer portal.
Just a thought.
[ 06-14-2024, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: Trey Ball ]
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Wife's Mad. Told me we never talk anymore. And just last nite while watching super bowl told her 2 or 3 times to get me a coke and popcorn. Also told her not to forget to take out trash in the morning. Ain't that something. Also told me I was too indecisive. Can't figure out what to do about that. One nice thing I guess. She called me a pro crastinator. Don't know what a crastinator is but I guess I'm a good one for her to call me a pro. Gonna wait til tomorrow to look that up though. I love her but somrtimes can't help but thinking I should have told uncle Junior to keep his coon hound pup and stevens double barrel and also his youngest daughter.
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Tiptree
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posted 06-14-2024 09:17 PM
I guess I would rather see "Kentucky Sports, Inc", and have the university sell the entire for-profit sports complex to the new entitity, lock, stock, and barrel.
Commonwealth Stadium. Memorial Colleseum. The "Friends of Coal" practice facility. Sold. The leasing rights to Rupp Arena, transferred. Kentucky Sports, Inc. would operate the basketball and football programs with no legal tie to the university.
If the rot doesn't affect the rest of the sports, keep them. It it does, sell them and their facilities to Kentucky Sports, Inc.
Then let the university get on with its mission, and let the sports business go on with theirs.
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“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” Thomas Jefferson
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Trey Ball
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posted 06-15-2024 10:03 AM
Got it. It is complete different discussion, but I think Universities and Colleges today are the biggest ripoff for kids and parents. So I view the educational side and the athletic side of Universities in the same light. They are both shams.
The so called "education" that I see kids getting vs. the price paid is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion for most professions.
I think a lot of professions would be better off to stop requiring college degrees and move to the apprenticeship route. I will use my field of study as an example: Business in general, but more specifically Accounting/Finance and my son's recently completed degree in Risk Management and Insurance.
I have a kid that has worked for me for two years straight out of high school that I would put his accounting and finance knowledge up against any recent graduate with a BS in Accounting/Finance and it cost him $0 dollars vs. $100k to $250k.....instead he made over $100k during those two years.
My son worked for two years in high school at a local Insurance Firm through a program sponsored by his high school, same program that I got my apprentice. He didn't feel as though he was learning anything new in his field of major classes and the "general education classes "required to graduate" (those are just a money grab for the universities and I have felt that way since I was in school he took in high school for nearly nothing) so he was able to graduate in three years.
My daughter, who was an average student in high school, is having the same experience at a pretty prestigious private school in the state known for their "Academics". She is an athlete, getting a minimal "athletic scholarship" for a degree from said university that is going to set her back $225k to go into a profession where she can make $50k max.
So I am looking forward to see what she is going to get "paid" in 2025 for her Athletic Gifts that said University is utilizing for their financial gain to help her pay for her sham of a degree. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
If you can't tell I am very soured on higher education and have been for quite a many years and it has been validated, for me and my circumstances, with my two children.
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Wife's Mad. Told me we never talk anymore. And just last nite while watching super bowl told her 2 or 3 times to get me a coke and popcorn. Also told her not to forget to take out trash in the morning. Ain't that something. Also told me I was too indecisive. Can't figure out what to do about that. One nice thing I guess. She called me a pro crastinator. Don't know what a crastinator is but I guess I'm a good one for her to call me a pro. Gonna wait til tomorrow to look that up though. I love her but somrtimes can't help but thinking I should have told uncle Junior to keep his coon hound pup and stevens double barrel and also his youngest daughter.
redbone
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Tiptree
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posted 06-17-2024 01:21 PM
Yes, yes, and yes.
Higher education has become "mainstreamed", thus dumbed down and bloated. When the US Goverment took over student loans, the dreaded "third party payer" system spurred massive price increases, just as health insurance did in health care. And now, the price of an education is simply ridiculous. I know, I kept the state of California solvent for 6 years as my two daughters paid a quarter-of-a-million dollars each for the "privilege" of being brainwashed.
Now, I am NOT opposed to higher education; I am basically an academic, and my wife is a physics professor. But I agree that if your goal is to learn a skill for employment, apprenticeship or community/vocational school is a FAR better route. Some skills may still require more (engineering, the sciences, law, medicine), but most jobs should not require a college degree. It is the skills that are needed, not the degree, and skills are best learned by direct observation and practice, not in a classroom.
But, there is value in getting a broad, general education. In fact, if the high schools were like they were 50 years ago, most of us would be better informed citizens capable of weighing the issues facing society with no thought of going to college. As it stands, our high schools teach surpringly little history or civics any more. Both of my daughters have no idea about history, except "socialism good, America bad". Oh, and the colleges teach more of the same.
IMO, about 20% of the people would benefit from a college degree, and less than 2% from graduate study. And unless they are pursuing a career in STEM, medicine, or law, they should not expect their education to be anything other than a way to understand this world a bit better. Their vocation will benefit from that, but not be launched by it.
There are over 3,000 colleges and universities in America. At least 2,000 of them need to close their doors; they are only around because of the gravy train of government loans, which obviates the need to provide old-fashioned grants and work-study to needy students (like I was). Now, the goverment shovels money to the students, who pay it to the colleges, and then the students are financially crippled for the rest of their lives, burdened by the equivalent a house payment with no house to live in.
It has to stop. It WILL stop. Eventually the whole paradigm will collapse, along with some familiar institutions that nobody will be able to afford.
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posted 06-18-2024 10:59 PM
My grandaughter is a good example of how it should be done. Not sure of where she is getting them but she has finished her 3rd year and she owes no money. She has received grants from different places which has covered her staying at home and going to EKU. Got her sister starting in August and she is even smarter than her sister and has already secured enough grants to cover her schooling also.
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