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boomdaddy
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posted 07-08-2018 07:08 AM
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There are plenty of problems inside the US borders. Why do people feel the need to go those third world countries? More importantly, why do they feel the need to take teenagers to those third world countries.
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Tiptree
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posted 07-08-2018 07:50 AM
I don't think that Christ intended his Church to stay within any nation's borders. Federal funds, yes. Those should be used to help American citizens only. But the funds raised by these organizations are often tagged for international missions work. I hope your heart is big enough to accept that.
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boomdaddy
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posted 07-08-2018 08:53 AM
I, personally would never support aid of any kind for another country. If private citizens want to do so, that is their choice, as long as it doesn't help an enemy of the country, like some ISIS faction.
Im never in favor of taking teenagers to third world countries. If the adults choose to go, thats the risk they are taking and are old enough to make the choice. Children should be sheltered from that risk until they turn 18, and then the should be allowed to take any risk they so choose. Just my opinion.
I do think 18 years of age should be the legal age for anything in this country.. Having to be 21 years of age for anything is ridiculous. You can be tried as an adult for any crime at 18 and you should be afforded every right and freedom as an adult, at 18.
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ukcatfannfl
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posted 07-08-2018 09:12 AM
yea like many young men were killed in Vietnam under 21 but they couldn't legally buy a beer in the U.S.... Sad
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handycat
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posted 07-08-2018 09:28 AM
I agree with boom on this. You don't send children into potentially dangerous situations in the name of Christ.
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Tiptree
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posted 07-08-2018 11:23 PM
Cal took his basketball team to Haiti to wash the feet of the poor. Those were teenagers. Do you have a beef with Cal?
My children have been going to "third world" countries since they were toddlers. Am I a bad parent?
I get the impression, Boom, that you think that the people in the third world are untrustworthy, dangerous, and frankly, sub-human. Certainly no equal to us 'Mericans. Well, you really need to get out more. There are amazing, kind, hospitable, and generous people all over the world. Certainly most of the ones I have met come across as kinder than you do.
I get you don't like illegal aliens. Neither do I. We are a nation of laws, and when we don't enforce our laws, we cease to be great. But I sense deeper animosity that goes beyond just illegal aliens. I have to draw the line there... I know many, MANY people who were born abroad and live here, contribute greatly to our country, and are great human beings. My wife is one of them. All of us, without exception, are descendants of immigrants. Cut off immigration, and the US starts to look a lot like Europe, with aging, shrinking population and a loss of innovation and nerve.
I don't like the wall you seem to love for two reasons -- it will not be effective no matter how much is spent, and it tells a story about America that is totally out of character and poisonous to our national soul. It is closed-minded, defensive, and punitive. That is not what made this country thrive, Boom. It wasn't you, it wasn't me, it was millions upon millions of people who risked all to come here, worked their asses off to establish themselves and built a better future for their children, and by extension, you and me.
I have no fear traveling in third world countries, and neither do my daughters. In fact, I feel much more fear in many parts of the United States than I do abroad.
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boomdaddy
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posted 07-09-2018 12:24 AM
No sir, I hold no special grudge against people in 3rd world countries.
I do, however, truly believe that 3 RD world countries are far more dangerous than more affluent countries. When Cal took his team, you can better believe they had security. I could be off base, but my guess is that regular tourist or a religious group on a humanitarian mission would not be afforded the same kind of security detail.
The poorer countries generally have more civil unrest and have more lawlessness because of the state of the country.
If any poster believes those countries are as safe or safer than the US, then I will happily state that we will always have to disagree on that subject.
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posted 07-09-2018 08:18 AM
Actually, the article you linked stated that the group did have armed security with them, but could not get past the protests.
You and I feel safe in the US because we intuitively know where not to go. I can walk with no worries in my neighborhood, and my driving patterns take me through the nicer places in my small town. But trust me, there are neighborhoods that I just know to avoid, where the risk of danger is much, much higher.
When I go to St. Louis, I feel perfectly fine visiting the zoo and museum places, or walking around downtown near the arch and the ballpark. But I also know that there are some neighborhoods to avoid, especially at night. The same is true for Chicago, or New York, or practically any city, big or small.
Back in Kentucky, there are even some rural areas where drug use and illegal activities dominate, and I would not willingly go there. But, the key is, I know not to go there, so my personal safety is not willingly put at risk.
The same is true when one goes abroad. The danger is that, without local guidance, we don't know where those dangerous places are that we need to avoid. Once that is known, then one can go out and carry on with their lives without any more fear than we have here.
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ukcatfannfl
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posted 07-09-2018 09:14 AM
tip here is a wall built by the EU to keep people out of europe.. This article also had pics of the wall but unfortunately I don't know how to make them post. Basically other countries are using the only effective way to keep out unwanted immigrants.
Have not fact checked so assuming the below is correct.
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Fw: LOCK YOUR EYES ON THIS, FOLKS - WHO KNEW???? - The EU-funded wall that nobody wants to talk about [Thanx to Ms Trudy]
Received today, so no money for defense, criticism for the US Border policies, but................
wall that nobody wants to talk about
Turkey-Syria wall
Published on June 12th, 2018 |
This is not Donald Trump’s desired border wall between the USA and Mexico, nor is it Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán’s fence which stops the flow of migrants into Europe – this is a 764 kilometer wall between Turkey and Syria, funded by none other than the European Union.
Turkey wall 2
Turkey shares an 822 kilometer border with Syria, a country which has suffered bombardment from all angles since 2011, including several EU member states. The wall runs through the provinces of Sanliurfa, Gaziantep, Kilis, Hatay, Mardin and Sirnak and incorporates physical, electronic and advanced technology layers.
The physical layer includes modular concrete walls, patrol routes, manned and unmanned towers and passenger tracks.
While the EU and its loyal followers persistently preach that any form of borders are racist, many will be shocked to learn that the construction of this wall was largely funded by the 28-member state union.
According to DER SPIEGEL:
“The EU states have provided the government in Ankara with security and surveillance technology valued at more than 80 million euros in exchange for the protection of its borders.
This included the transfer of 35.6 million euros by Brussels to the Turkish company Otokar as part of its IPA regional development program for the construction of armored Cobra II military vehicles, which are now being used to patrol the border to Syria.”
Additionally, in 2016, the EU pledged €3 billion to Turkey under the guise of humanitarian aid to the Syrian refugees in the country. In reality, this deal served to trap the existing 3.5million refugees in Turkey and left those hoping to flee their war torn country at even further risk.
Once these resources are to be used in full, the EU will mobilise an additional €3 billion to the end of 2018, as confirmed by a press release of the European Commission.
Next time an EU politician is giving an ethics lecture in regards to immigration and the Syrian conflict, keep this in mind.
Tags: Assad, Donald Trump, Erdogan, eu, Hungary, Mexico, Orban, Syria, Trump, Turkey
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posted 07-09-2018 09:27 AM
Boom I have lived in several "3rd world" counties and what is common among them is that the people are led like sheep to the slaughter house. There is no middle class it is the rich and the poor.For example Lagos, Domingo Dominican Republic ; Panama City Panama;
Moscow USSR (then) to some extent Nassau The Bahamas; Visited (weeks a a time)all the central american counties
and they are all much much worse than the U.S. Lots of missionaries go to lots of these places and lots of them get hurt! Not reported
For example in Nassau you cant even walk the beach at night without fear of getting mugged or raped. Not in newspapers because of the negative publicity which hurts their tourism.
Basically what you hear is not the true pic of 3rd world counties. Take it from someone with intimate knowledge of the situation as it pertains to travelling abroad.
(I also had some very nice assignments btw lol)
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handycat
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posted 07-09-2018 09:50 AM
I was in Chicago once. It was pretty scary.
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ukcatfannfl
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posted 07-09-2018 10:38 AM
Unless u have been in the housing projects in Chicago u ain't seen "scary" Chicago. Try it as a LEO..
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CatFanInYankeeville
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posted 07-10-2018 12:31 AM
Does Cabrini Green count? Not sure how I feel after they tore it down. Took the localized and central problem and dispersed it among the city.
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