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country cat
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posted 12-07-2020 05:38 AM
i am thinking--and hoping we can beat detroit on the 15th--if we dont win that one---then i think we might win the south carolina
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EnterpriseCat
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posted 12-07-2020 06:34 AM
If this team continues to have 20+ turnovers a game, we’re not beating anyone. PG play is awful and it doesn’t appear that Askew or Mintz are the answer. A team without a PG is doomed. Cal has always figured it out in the past, but he’s got his work cut out for him with this group.
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PaulCat
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posted 12-07-2020 07:19 AM
I have no clue how Askew was highly-rated as a PG. He has zero PG skills. Mintz has the tools, but the rest of the team has to offer at least a little bit of of assistance to make a PG look good. My point is, I don't think a great PG could help this team right now.
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clydeh
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posted 12-07-2020 10:58 AM
I think a PG needs his other teammates to move around and get open for passes. If they do not do that, there will be many turnovers.
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Tiptree
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posted 12-07-2020 11:16 AM
A "real" (i.e., skilled and experienced) point guard would help, but as PaulCat and clydeh said, it takes more than a great point guard. If you put any of our great point guards from the past on this team, it would make a small improvement, but it wouldn't fix our problems.
Why? Because EVERYBODY needs to be an effective passer. Whether it is the first pass to initiate the offense, or a crisp swing pass around the perimeter, or a post pass, or a lob for an ally-oop, everybody on the team needs to be a good passer. Right now, most of them are earning failing grades in this vital skill.
Whoever makes the pass, it must be crisp, on-target and on-time. Too many of our passes are telegraphed, and are gently tossed (wouldn't want to hurt anybody, right?). And a high percentage of them are either:
* Stolen
* Deflected
* Received by a player who is double- or triple-teamed
* Received by a player out of place, or not in rhythm, with no ability to score.
Part of the problem is the ball handler picks up his dribble in a bad position to make a pass, or dribbles into traffic with no idea how he will get rid of the ball. But the biggest problem is the rest of the team does a piss-poor job of moving without the ball to be open to receive a pass. This is the art of half-court basketball -- spacing, purposeful moving without the ball (i.e, you are making a cut or a move that the rest of the team can anticipate and react to in order to maintain spacing or provide a screen/pick as needed), and being ready to receive the ball when you reach a pre-designated spot.
The receiver can either attempt a shot if open, drive the ball to create movement in the defense, or pass it to another teammate in a position to score.
Our guys just don't understand how important it is that ALL of them do these simple things EVERY play.
The good news? Unless they are exceptionally rebellious or stupid, this can be taught. Cal can teach them to move purposefully, within a given offensive set. He can teach them to make better passes, to avoid traps, etc. He can teach them toughness and how to thrive in the type of physical game that is played today. He can even ignite their "heart" and inspire them to leave it all on the floor.
We have some of the things that can't be taught (height, length, sufficient athleticism). But there is a LOT that needs to be taught. Be patient with this team.
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Trey Ball
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posted 12-07-2020 11:29 AM
I’m afraid due to COVID that this team will not have the opportunity to “catch up” so to speak. This group needs a lot of up close or hands on attention and I’m not sure the protocols in place allow for that
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Trey Ball
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posted 12-07-2020 11:31 AM
I’m afraid due to COVID that this team will not have the opportunity to “catch up” so to speak. This group needs a lot of up close or hands on attention and I’m not sure the protocols in place allow for that
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Wife's Mad. Told me we never talk anymore. And just last nite while watching super bowl told her 2 or 3 times to get me a coke and popcorn. Also told her not to forget to take out trash in the morning. Ain't that something. Also told me I was too indecisive. Can't figure out what to do about that. One nice thing I guess. She called me a pro crastinator. Don't know what a crastinator is but I guess I'm a good one for her to call me a pro. Gonna wait til tomorrow to look that up though. I love her but somrtimes can't help but thinking I should have told uncle Junior to keep his coon hound pup and stevens double barrel and also his youngest daughter.
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Trey Ball
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posted 12-07-2020 11:34 AM
I also think if you put an experienced PG or two that it would improve everyone on the floor. Some of the turnovers that Sarr and Jackson are making is due to getting the ball on a position on the floor where they shouldn’t be receiving the ball. So then they try and do something to make a play and they shouldn’t.
I can only imagine how good a 5 of Hagans/Quickley/Sarr/Jackson/Mintz or Clark could be on the floor. I think you would be looking at 4-0 team with 4 double digit wins.
College Basketball is a sport where one player can truly make a difference. See David Robinson at Navy, Steph Curry at Davidson, Larry Jo Bird at Indiana State or most recently Ja Morant at Murray State. There are many examples through history where this has been proven true.
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Wife's Mad. Told me we never talk anymore. And just last nite while watching super bowl told her 2 or 3 times to get me a coke and popcorn. Also told her not to forget to take out trash in the morning. Ain't that something. Also told me I was too indecisive. Can't figure out what to do about that. One nice thing I guess. She called me a pro crastinator. Don't know what a crastinator is but I guess I'm a good one for her to call me a pro. Gonna wait til tomorrow to look that up though. I love her but somrtimes can't help but thinking I should have told uncle Junior to keep his coon hound pup and stevens double barrel and also his youngest daughter.
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Tiptree
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posted 12-07-2020 12:06 PM
I see you have removed Askew and Boston altogether, and put Clark as an alternative starter. Those three are a huge part of the passing problem, IMO.
Sarr is actually not a bad interior passer, and Jackson really isn't a pass receiver as much as a junk basket/put-back guy on offense. Add in three experience perimeter players (having Hagans, Quickley, and Mintz would have been great!) and I agree that our team would improve greatly.
But, Hagans and Quickley are gone. Mintz is our only option at PG until Askew has a chance to get better, if he can within the timeframe of one season.
Boston and Clark are tall, rangey kids who are better suited to the 3 spot than the 2 spot. But both are soft, finesse players in a rough league. And both are clearly used to be the guy who would get the ball and "make something happen". That just doesn't work against experienced college defenses.
So, I say we play a different lineup, with Mintz as lead guard, "X" as 2-guard, "Y" at 3, and let Jackson/Sarr play the paint. "X" would be either Boston, Clarke, Askew or Allen depending on who provides the most net positives for the team. Likewise, "Y" would be Brooks, Toppin, Fletcher, or Ware. But the core would be Mintz, Jackson, and Sarr, and when Brooks returns, he would be added to that core mix, and Toppin, Fletcher, and Ware would be subs for the 3, 4, or 5 spots.
That would be a tall, athletic lineup with as much experience as we can field, and with terrific defensive potential.
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