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posted 12-16-2020 11:55 AM
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My goal is to educate those who are not blessed with my superior BS.
You shore have lernt me a lot with your superior Brain Speed, hc.
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posted 12-16-2020 02:50 PM
Is BS and STD? If so I won't have to worry about that because you have to be exposed in order to receive the transmission!
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posted 12-17-2020 12:26 PM
Getting back to politico, now that everyone but Trump thinks the election is over, I'm wondering how the two dems will pull off the defeat of both the repubs. in GA? Of course I know they will and they will not be caught, again. It's amazing where this country will be heading in January. You can take that last statement either way you want to.
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posted 12-17-2020 01:45 PM
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now that everyone but Trump thinks the election is over,
Trump knows it's over....he's been knowing it.
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It's amazing where this country will be heading in January.
Can't wait!
The United States of America is the greatest democracy the world has ever known. We didn't get that way by holding "rigged", "corrupt" and "unfair" elections.
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posted 12-17-2020 02:21 PM
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The United States of America is the greatest democracy the world has ever known. We didn't get that way by holding "rigged", "corrupt" and "unfair" elections.
No, but we WILL move significantly towards a socialist nation run by an unaccountable elite if this corrupted, rigged, and unfair election holds.
And, socialism inevitably leads to tyranny. So much for our Republic (which, btw, is NOT a democracy).
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posted 12-17-2020 02:50 PM
Amen Tip, I wish people knew what they were talking about (democracy) before spewing out untruths.
If you haven't seen it yet, you need to check out what Navarro (spelling) just released about the election results in 5-6 states. Not that it is going to change anything but it makes you realize how far the libs went to secure this election !!!!!!!
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posted 12-17-2020 03:37 PM
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if this corrupted, rigged, and unfair election holds.
Is that an opinion or do you have proof? That's a big deal because if you do have proof you would be the first.
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posted 12-17-2020 04:14 PM
Nothing you will see on CNN, NBC, CBS, etc. But there is plenty of reason to believe that this election was surgically rigged.
* Election standards call for less than 1% (actually, MUCH less) be rejected for 'irregularities'. Yet, in one key county, a whopping 68% of ballots were rejected. Once rejected, they are sent to "adjudication", where a clerk can enter ANY VOTE THEY WANT for that ballot.
The only way you can reach 68% rejection rate is to rig the software.
* In such an evenly divided country, six states decide the election. Within those six states, a single large county can swing the state. It appears that the efforts to fraudulently claim this election was very surgically done -- pick out those six counties, and cheat like crazy in them.
* Mail-in (not absentee) ballots seem to be the focus of the cheating. In two key states, Republican election observers were sent home late in the evening. Shortly thereafter, when no vote processing was supposed to be happening, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of votes were tabulated. And guess what? Almost all of them were for Biden.
If you don't smell a fish in that kettle, then your nose may need some fixin'. I really don't have any hope of changing your mind -- you got what you wanted, and nothing will make you question the prize. As Norm said in another thread, "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see".
But, nonetheless, here is a section from an interview with Patrick Byrne, who has been investigating election irregularities since questions arose in the 2018 elections in Texas.
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Byrne says that he fell in with cyber experts who had been looking at election manipulation since 2018 when they were hired as part of a blue-ribbon commission set up to examine potential election fraud in Texas.
“That group has had two years to really reverse engineer what the rest of America has had a couple of weeks to understand,” he said. “They had already figured out really about a dozen different ways you could defeat an election or hack an election—in a broad sense of hack, not necessarily just electronic cyber guys hacking.”
According to Byrne, they found cheating was possible “at an industrial level, in terms of generating hundreds of thousands of fake votes.”
Byrne says the pattern of manipulation can be identified through examining three key points—what he calls “three buckets of facts.”
“One bucket is understanding the systems themselves and how they were built: the functionality that was built into them and the vulnerabilities that exist.”
The second bucket, he says, relates to how the election process played out. “[In the event of fraud] you would expect people to have certain experiences when they either go in and vote or if they volunteer and work in the precincts.”
He gives the examples of vote tabulating being shut down, of poll watchers being denied entry, and of the video of election workers pulling out cases of ballots from under a table after observers had gone home and then scanning them.
The third bucket, he says, is the extreme statistical outliers that would be thrown up by such a manipulation process.
“Things like that happened—these statistical outliers: Having 123,000 votes in a row going to one candidate; or in Pennsylvania, I believe it was 580,000 votes got processed that were 99.4 percent for Biden… and they came through exactly when all the Republicans had been told they had to leave.”
“They’re on the order of you winning the Powerball lottery this week, and next week and the week after—and that happening in dozens of places around America at the same time.”
“When you put those three different narratives together, they also just come together perfectly. They all reinforce each other.”
Believe your media. They are the chorus singing "halleluiah!" about the defeat of "Orange man". There will be not a single word published nor broadcast to cast any doubt upon that. But there is plenty of very credible evidence that this election WAS rigged. Fortunately, we still have checks and balances in place that could stop this charade. I just hope those who can do so have the guts to do it. But, since that would have to be done by the 'establishment republicans', I doubt that they will.
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posted 12-17-2020 04:54 PM
I choose to believe Bill Barr, the Supreme Court, other state and federal courts, Republican Governors of the states in question, Republican Attorney Generals of the states in question, the Republican election officials of these states and many many good honest Republican Politicians who put integrity before politics.
But that’s just me. Everybody is free to believe as they will.
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posted 12-17-2020 06:06 PM
Oh, I thought we were supposed to believe only what we are spoon fed by the Mainstream media. They wouldn't lead us astray in order to fit their narrative. The very moment DJT said that MSM was "Fake News" They began working with whomever they could find to assist them to get "Orange Man Bad" out of office because he wouldn't fall in line with their way of leading the sheep!
Baa, baa, baa like lambs lead to slaughter. We just get in line and not ask any questions and all will be well until you bleed out!
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posted 12-17-2020 09:18 PM
I’ll try to make this my last post on this particular thread.
Do I think the media bias against Trump affected the outcome of the election? ABSOLUTELY! The hatred by the news media (including FOX) probably cost Trump the election. I believe he brought most of that on himself but that doesn't excuse it or make it appropriate. However, media bias and “fixing” a presidential election is entirely two different animals. At least in my eyes.
When Trump was impeached the vast majority was saying “show us the proof”. The House was unable to do so and he was acquitted by the Senate. I happened to agree with that acquittal. Why? Because there was not enough proof.
Now many Trump supporters want to throw out the results of the election based on conspiracy theories, vague insinuations but most importantly, because Donald said so. With absolutely no proof. Most of the courts would not even hear the cases because the evidence was so flimsy or non existent.
Should evidence and proof only be appropriate when it agrees with our opinions?
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posted 12-17-2020 09:59 PM
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But there is plenty of very credible evidence that this election WAS rigged.
Apparently none of this "credible evidence" has made it's way to court yet?
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posted 12-17-2020 10:47 PM
The evidence is not in question, y'all. It is whether anybody has "legal standing" to file a case and have the evidence heard.
So far, SCOTUS has ducked one attempt, and others have failed as well. We live in a court of public opinion, and I don't think any "real" court is willing to stand against it.
Great nations don't die in a blaze of glory. They die of cowardice. When we refuse to defend the institutions that undergird our culture, our culture is no more.
--Tiptree (he/him), cowering, quivering possessor of white guilt. Might as well join the lemmings, er, winners.
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posted 12-17-2020 10:53 PM
Like Handy, I am done with this thread too. Clydeh is right...nobody wins any of these debates. We all believe what fits our worldview.
One of my friends, a doctor, now has COVID. He tested positive today, with symptoms, a day before he was scheduled to receive the vaccine.
Another friend, my bridge partner, is receiving an experimental drug from Lilly. She is positive for COVID, and can barely breathe. She has multiple complicating conditions, and is over 70. Her husband also has COVID, and now has pneumonia. I don't think either one of them will survive.
So, to hell with politics. Let the Socialist Era begin! I don't give a sh*t any more, because apparently everybody is happy and can't wait for Biden to take office, because, well, he isn't Trump. And that, honestly, is about the only positive thing one can say about him.
So, let the election stand. The only evidence of election fraud that seems acceptable is that which is printed in the NY Times or broadcast on CNN. If that is your criteria, you are right... there is no evidence. But if you can read what I wrote above and NOT sense that something is terribly, terribly wrong, well, nothing really matters, does it?
Congratulations, MM. If any of us live that long, I will check back with you in 4 years and see if you still like your country. I will do my best to still love what is left of America.
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posted 12-18-2020 01:46 AM
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Great nations don't die in a blaze of glory. They die of cowardice. When we refuse to defend the institutions that undergird our culture, our culture is no more.
I'm with you, Tip. The only thing we probably disagree on is who the cowards are.
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posted 12-18-2020 02:21 AM
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nobody wins any of these debates.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
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posted 12-18-2020 09:28 AM
Tip was right. The only yhing keeping this from being investigated in court is that NO ONE HAS STANDING, except Trump. He is the only one standing in the way now and they will sweep him under the rug soon. If they rig the vote AGAIN in the Senate races it's all over, including the shouting. If the incumbents (at least one) win then we are going to be in the biggest DO NOTHING CONGRESS for the next 2 or 4 years you've ever seen. Biden will get less done than any other president in history.
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posted 12-18-2020 09:29 PM
Yeah, but think just how much money Hunter could make if Joe was president instead of Vice.
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posted 12-19-2020 07:40 AM
That's right, Norm....Wonder if Hunter has thought of this.
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posted 12-19-2020 09:38 AM
The $617 Million pails in comparison to the $1.06 Billion that was raised for the Biden Harris campaign. Especially given the fact that he made less than 15 appearances/ month the final 3 months leading up to the election! But what do I know about finances. Last I checked though, that's almost $400M more!
I knew when I clicked on the MM link it would be about his favorite Billionaire!
I'm sure that extra $400M went to HB's drug/gambling habit fund?
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posted 12-19-2020 09:57 AM
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The $617 Million pails in comparison to the $1.06 Billion that was raised for the Biden Harris campaign. Especially given the fact that he made less than 15 appearances/ month the final 3 months leading up to the election! But what do I know about finances. Last I checked though, that's almost $400M more!
Trump has raised over $200M for his so-called "defense fund" since he lost the election just 6 weeks ago. Oh, BTW, only 25% of these donations go to "defending" Trump...the other 75% goes in his pocket.
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Keep the funds flowing guys...Trump, your favorite Billionaire, desperately needs your help.
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posted 12-19-2020 12:01 PM
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Oh, BTW, only 25% of these donations go to "defending" Trump...the other 75% goes in his pocket.
MM, think you need reading glasses. There is no way one can deduce your conclusions from the article you linked. It says that the funds are divided essentially into three buckets:
For donations up to $5,000, 25% goes to the RNC (that would be up to $1,250), with 75% going to his new PAC. Amounts over $5,000 go to his "recount" fund.
None (that would be ZERO dollars) of that goes into Trump's pocket, although the PAC money can be used to pay off campaign debts.
Really, MM. Get a grip. Your man Biden outraised Trump by a factor of 2.5 in September/October ($1.5 billion for Biden, versus $620 million for Trump). Big Wall Street donors and Tech Giant billionaires made sure he had no lack of money. Big Tech and the media made sure that conservative voices were muted, and that no negative news about Biden was circulated. And, yet, he still almost lost against the most unpopular man on the planet, and needed a little help from crooked election officials and tainted software to pull it off.
Enjoy your victory. No need to be sour.
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posted 12-19-2020 08:11 PM
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None (that would be ZERO dollars) of that goes into Trump's pocket, although the PAC money can be used to pay off campaign debts.
Trump can also use it to pay "consulting fees"...including to himself. His PAC amounts to no more than a personal slush fund to be used virtually any way he wants.
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And, yet, he still almost lost against the most unpopular man on the planet,
306-232 electoral votes...Trump called this a "landslide" win.
7 million more popular votes...Trump hasn't said anything about this...I guess cause he ain't never won the popular vote.
Somehow this don't look like "almost lost".
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and needed a little help from crooked election officials and tainted software to pull it off.
I'm not the one who needs to "get a grip", my friend.
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posted 12-19-2020 09:17 PM
Trump never mentions the popular vote totals because they don't matter a whit. And you, me, and all of us here in "flyover country" better be glad of that. We only have a voice in presidential elections because of the electoral college. If it was a nationwide popular vote, the coastal cities would always determine the winner. I suppose that is OK with you, since those coastal cities ALWAYS vote overwhelmingly for the democrat candidate, even ones like AOC. But the electoral college is designed to force candidates to at least try to appeal to all of America. If it didn't exist, candidates wouldn't give a rat's ass about Alabama, or Kentucky, or Indiana. They would spend all their time campaigning in the Megacities.
That need to appeal to many voters, across all states, is why campaigns typically have rallies and speeches everywhere. Biden? He just stayed in his basement. Trump was out campaigning, and was greeted by massive crowds of enthusiastic supporters. Heck, spontaneous rallies sprang up all across the country. And Trump recorded 12 million more votes in this election than the last one.
But, Biden, whose few appearances were to empty venues, somehow generated even more votes? That doesn't raise any alarm bells in your head?
It all came down to six counties, in six swing states. Those six counties are the very ones that seemed to engage in election fraud (and there really is plenty of evidence that they did, your willful ignorance notwithstanding). If there was fraud, and results reversed, then the electoral count would look DRAMATICALLY different.
Imagine that. Just six counties effectively determined the winner of this election. And all six had very suspicious behavior by voting officials, and statistically improbable (if not impossible) vote tallies in the wee hours after everybody went home. Hmmmmmmm.....
BTW, no successful candidate before your man Joe Biden EVER set up an "office of the President-Elect". No candidate ever claimed to be the president-elect prior to the completion of the confirmation process. Either Biden is a pompous ass, or he really wants to rush things to avoid something.
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posted 12-19-2020 09:46 PM
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BTW, no successful candidate before your man Joe Biden EVER set up an "office of the President-Elect". No candidate ever claimed to be the president-elect prior to the completion of the confirmation process. Either Biden is a pompous ass, or he really wants to rush things to avoid something.
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posted 12-20-2020 08:54 AM
What I find interesting is that Kamala still hasn't resigned her senate seat. What's up with that? She afraid if she steps down from that seat she won't have another position in DC?
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posted 12-20-2020 09:46 AM
Maybe she's been too busy entertaining Willie Brown to get that little detail taken care of. Or, maybe she's consulting with Hillary about how to get Sleepy Joe out of the way. Who knows?
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posted 12-20-2020 11:14 AM
Norm ... may be she is entertaining Willie and Hillary at the same time !!!
Creepy Joe won't be around for his 4 year term.
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posted 12-20-2020 01:03 PM
^^^^^Good points by both of you gentlemen!^^^^^^^^
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posted 12-20-2020 01:09 PM
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She afraid if she steps down from that seat she won't have another position in DC?
She already has another position in DC...she'll be replacing Mike Pence.
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posted 12-20-2020 01:17 PM
She might be filling the seat but they have absolutely nothing else in common. Mike didn't sleep his way to the top. As a matter of fact he graduated from a college about 15 miles from where I'm sitting right now, while working his way through college.
Unlike a lot of the men/women in DC, Mike doesn't sleep around on his wife. If you remember, he was ridiculed for not even going out to eat with another female unless there was more than a party of 2. Mike is highly thought of in this fly over state I live in.
If Kamala is so comfortable in having the VP position it seems odd that she's afraid to give up the other one unless they were passing out a Christmas bonus and she wasn't going to receive one if she quit her "job"!
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posted 12-20-2020 01:20 PM
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Creepy Joe won't be around for his 4 year term.
He won't?
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posted 12-20-2020 01:31 PM
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If Kamala is so comfortable in having the VP position it seems odd that she's afraid to give up the other one
Mike Pence was Governor of Indiana until Jan 9, 2017....we're still in December with Harris...I'm going going to give it a little time and see what happens.
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