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Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 11-26-2020, 10:59 PM:
 
Sidney Powell dropped her lawsuit in Georgia today. Here are the allegations, and demands:

quote:
The suit alleges the following:

The software used by the Dominion machines was accessed by agents of malicious actors, such as China and Iran, “in order to monitor and manipulate elections,” including the 2020 election. The allegation is based on a redacted declaration of a former electronic intelligence analyst under 305th Military Intelligence.
“By using servers and employees connected with rogue actors and hostile foreign influences combined with numerous easily discoverable leaked credentials, Dominion neglectfully allowed foreign adversaries to access data and intentionally provided access to their infrastructure in order to monitor and manipulate elections, including the most recent one in 2020,” the suit says.

An affiant, whose name was redacted for security reasons, alleged that the software used by Dominion was designed for Venezuelan government with the specific purpose to rig elections without the risk of getting caught. The affiant said he was part of a national security detail to former Venezuelan socialist dictator Hugo Chavez.

“The purpose of this conspiracy was to create and operate a voting system that could change the votes in elections from votes against persons running the Venezuelan government to votes in their favor in order to maintain control of the government,” he said.

The allegation was corroborated by another witness who “was in an official position related to elections and witnessed manipulations of petitions to prevent a removal of President Chavez.”

Another affiant said he’s the cousin of the former chief executive of Smartmatic, the company that developed the software adopted by Dominion. He said he has personal knowledge that the executive manipulated the company “to ensure the election for Chavez in the 2004 Referendum in Venezuela,” the suit says.

He also testified that the executive, Anthony Mugica, “received tens of millions of dollars from 2003–2015 from the Venezuelan government to ensure Smartmatic technology would be implemented around the world, including in the U.S.,” the suit says.

The vote tallies produced by the Dominion machines can be manipulated by imputing a malicious code with just “7 minutes alone with [the voting machine] and a screwdriver,” according to Andrew Appel, Princeton professor of computer science and election security expert.

A ballot can be spoiled or altered by the Dominion machine because “the ballot marking printer is in the same paper path as the mechanism to deposit marked ballots into an attached ballot box,” a study by University of California–Berkeley said. It indicates that after a voter submits a ballot to the machine, the machine can add additional marks on it.

The voting machines are susceptible to hacking or remote tampering because they are connected to the internet, even though they’re not supposed to be.

“Voting machines were able to be connected to the internet by way of laptops that were obviously internet accessible,” the suit says. “If one laptop was connected to the internet, the entire precinct was compromised.”

Affiant Hari Hursti, a Finnish computer programmer and election security expert, said, “There is evidence of remote access and remote troubleshooting, which presents a grave security implication.”

The voting machines have activity logs that can be overwritten, according to Hursti. That means hackers or malevolent operators can tamper with the results and then erase their steps.

Ronald Watkins, a software and cyber-security expert who reviewed the Dominion software manual, said the machine operators can change the setting to exclude certain ballots from being counted (based on how much of the “bubble” they had filled in to indicate a vote for a candidate). Scans of the excluded ballots are placed in a separate folder and the operator can delete them simply using Windows File Manager.

Watkins said that to report the final vote counts, the machine operator would copy and paste the “Results” folder from the machine onto a USB drive.

“While a simple procedure, this process may be error-prone and is very vulnerable to malicious administrators,” he said.

There are no procedures that would ensure the security of the USB drives used to report vote tallies from precincts. In one Georgia County, 3,300 votes were found on memory sticks not loaded into the central vote tally system, the suit says.

The test report and secretary of state certificate for the voting machines are undated.

Smartmatic faces litigation over “glitches” that allegedly affected the 2010 and 2013 mid-term elections in the Philippines, “raising questions of cheating and fraud,” the suit says.

Between 31,559 and 38,886 absentee ballots were returned by Republican voters, but were not counted, according to an analysis by expert witness Williams Briggs, a statistician and former Cornell Medical School professor, based on a phone survey of potentially affected GOP voters by the team of former Trump campaign member Matt Braynard.

Between 16,938 and 22,771 Republican voters received absentee ballots they didn’t request, based on the same analysis. That indicates unlawful absentee requests, the suit alleges.

Based on Braynard’s analysis of voter registrations and change-of-address requests, 20,311 absentee or early voters in Georgia voted even though they had moved out of state, which the state prohibits.

Georgia entered into an unlawful consent agreement with Democratic Party agencies that gutted the effectiveness of matching signatures on absentee ballot envelopes with signatures on record with the authorities. The matching was reduced “to a broad process with discretion, rather than enforcement of the signature requirement as statutorily required,” the suit says.

The signature matching procedure was influenced by “guidance and training materials” produced by the Democratic Party.

Gov. Brian Kemp illegally authorized election officials to open outer envelopes of absentee ballots three weeks before the election. Georgia law “clearly prohibits opening absentee ballots prior to election day,” the suit says.

Georgia’s hand recount of the presidential race was illegitimate for a lack of meaningful observation.

“Democrat-majority counties provided political parties and candidates, including the Trump Campaign, no meaningful access or actual opportunity to review and assess the validity of mail-in ballots during the pre-canvassing meetings,” the suit says.

The allegation is based on multiple recount observer testimonies.

Votes for President Donald Trump were placed during the recount into vote piles for Trump’s opponent, former Vice President Joe Biden. The allegation is based on multiple observer testimonies, as well as an undercover video produced by Project Veritas, an undercover journalism nonprofit.

Some ballots from the “No Vote” and “Jorgensen” trays were moved to the “Biden” tray. One witness made the allegation.

Many voters weren’t allowed to cancel their mail-in ballot on Election Day and vote in person. One witness made the allegation.

The same witness alleged that many voters were denied the option to cast a provisional ballot on Election Day “when a mail-in ballot has already been received for them, but when they did not cast those mail-in ballots,” the suit says.

Signatures on mail-in ballot envelopes weren’t verified during the recount, one witness alleged. “At no time did I witness any Recounter or individual participate in the recount verifying signatures [on mail-in ballots],” the affiant said.

Some counties didn’t actually recount the ballots by hand, but instead used machines.

One batch of ballots was suspiciously “pristine.” Almost all were for Biden. The allegation is based on an observer testimony, who professed “20 years of experience of handling ballots.”

One batch of ballots “was pristine” and “there was a difference in the texture of the paper,” according to the witness.

“I observed that the markings for the candidates on these ballots were unusually uniform, perhaps even with a ballot-marking device,” she said.
The ballots also “included a slight depressed pre-fold so they could be easily folded and unfolded for use in the scanning machines.”
The same witness also alleged that at one precinct in Milton, Georgia, poll workers were “asked to sign the chain of custody letter on Sunday, even though the machines were not delivered until 2:00 AM in the morning on Election Day.”

In addition, the machines “were not sealed or locked, the serial numbers were not what were reflected on the related documentation,” she said.

Many batches of ballots were “100% for Biden,” one witness alleged.

The same witness also alleged “that the watermark on at least 3 ballots were solid gray instead of transparent, leading me to believe the ballot was counterfeit.” Local elections director offered the explanation that the ballots in question came from a different printer.

Authorities lied by claiming vote counting was paused in Fulton County because of “a water leak affecting the room where absentee ballots were being tabulated.”

“The only water leak that needed repairs at State Farm Arena from November 3 – November 5 was a toilet overflow that occurred earlier on November 3. It had nothing to do with a room with ballot counting,” the suit says.

After everyone was “sent home,” one witness “saw election workers remaining behind after people were told to leave, the suit says, alleging that several people stayed behind to continue counting ballots without any observers present.

Demands

The lawsuit asks the court to order Georgia to do the following:

de-certify the election results

not transmit the currently certified election results to the Electoral College

transmit instead certified election results that state that Trump is the winner of the election

impound all the voting machines and software in Georgia for expert inspection by the plaintiffs

not count votes received or tabulated by machines that weren’t certified as required by federal and state law

produce 36 hours of security camera footage of all rooms used in the voting process at State Farm Arena in Fulton County

Not sure that counts as evidence to you, MM, but it sure does to me.

[ 11-26-2020, 11:05 PM: Message edited by: Tiptree ]
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 11-27-2020, 09:18 AM:
 
Tip:
quote:
Not sure that counts as evidence to you, MM, but it sure does to me.
Good luck!
 
Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 11-27-2020, 02:52 PM:
 
I would like to know why they were counted from machines that are required to be certified by federal and state laws but weren't certified ?!?!?!?!? That makes absolutely no sense in anyway !!! That and all the mail in ballots, the not counting till after election day is ridiculous !!! If you can't have the votes counted by the end of voting day then they shouldn't count. There were states sending out mail in ballots a month or more before the election. If you couldn't get your ballot in, in that length of time you don't deserve to have it counted !!! This was a total cluster from the beginning !!!

MEL

[ 11-27-2020, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: MEL ]
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 11-27-2020, 04:00 PM:
 
MEL:
quote:
I would like to know why they were counted from machines that are required to be certified by federal and state laws but weren't certified ?!?!?!?!?
Where did this come from?

quote:
That and all the mail in ballots, the not counting till after election day is ridiculous !!! If you can't have the votes counted by the end of voting day then they shouldn't count. There were states sending out mail in ballots a month or more before the election. If you couldn't get your ballot in, in that length of time you don't deserve to have it counted !!! This was a total cluster from the beginning !!!
I agree that not allowing mail-in ballots to be counted before election day is ridiculous. Each state has it's own rules so, thankfully, it's not a nationwide problem.

I voted by mail for the first time ever this year (Covid) and I have no doubt my vote was cast and counted properly, securely and as I intended.

I may or may not vote by mail in the future, depends...before this year it never crossed my mind...didn't even know how to go about it...but it ain't hard to do and It's safe and secure...many safeguards...Alabama has a very good mail-in system that I am perfectly comfortable with.
 
Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 11-27-2020, 05:11 PM:
 
MM, read through Tips post and you will find what I am talking about dealing with not meeting state and feceral laws.

MEL
 
Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 11-27-2020, 08:07 PM:
 
It doesn't matter what they come up with, it will all be treated the same as everything that has been discovered during the 4 years of investigation that was asked for by Trump. If it's a Dem. then nothing will be done to that person. The only hope is at the Supreme court, and then I'm not so sure anything will ever be changed. The Dems think they are in charge even when they are outnumbered. So as killer Clinton would say, "what difference does it make"?
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 11-28-2020, 08:23 AM:
 
I'm with Bama on this one, They are in charge even when they're not!!!
 
Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 12-02-2020, 11:43 AM:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpdAF3frRMY

Found it. check this if it works
 
Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 12-02-2020, 12:44 PM:
 
Interesting take on what happened.

Wayne Root is a Vegas legend.

By Wayne Allyn Root

I’ve been a Las Vegas odds maker and sports gaming expert for four
decades- long before I became known as a nationally syndicated
conservative talk show host. I understand odds and gambling in a way
that no other conservative media personality, host, or politician in
this country could.

And I can tell you something is very wrong with this presidential
election. It reminds me of a fixed football game. Remember the famous
fixed 1978 game between the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles.
The Giants quarterback handed the ball off. The running back didn’t
want it. It fell on the ground. Herm Edwards of the Eagles picked it
up and ran it into the end zone with seconds left for a last second
victory. Every bettor in the world knows that game was fixed. It
doesn’t matter if you can prove it. We all know.

Gamblers also feel the same way about this presidential election. This
presidential election is rancid. It feels as fixed as that
Giants-Eagles NFL football game. Let me give you the details of this
election- from a gambler’s perspective.

Trump entered the night a 2 to 1 underdog. As soon as the polls
started to close and the picture became clear, Trump’s odds quickly
moved to even money. Then Trump became the slight favorite. Then a
moderate favorite. Then a 2-to-1 favorite. Then 3 to 1. 4 to 1. 5 to
1. 6 to 1. 7 to 1. Finally, Trump moved to 8 to 1 favorite.

What does all this mean? Bettors putting their money on the line
during Election Night have always proven to be deadly accurate. Smart
bettors can clearly see what direction a race is taking. Bettors
around the world clearly saw what I saw, when they stared at the
electoral map- Trump was headed for an electoral landslide.But
something wasn’t quite right. Fox News wouldn’t call Florida for
Trump- even though he was ahead by a mile. They wouldn’t call Ohio-
even though Trump was ahead by a mile, They wouldn’t call Texas- even
though Trump was ahead by a mile. I sat there screaming at my
television.

More strange calls. Fox News had called Virginia for Biden at the
start of the night- with Trump well ahead in Virginia. Trump would
remain ahead in Virginia for three long hours after Fox awarded the
electoral votes to Biden. Why would they do that? What was the rush?
It made no sense.

Biden was awarded Virginia with Trump ahead. But Trump was ahead by a
mile in Florida, Ohio and Texas, yet Fox News refused to award him the
electoral votes. I knew at that moment, something was wrong. Something
smelled fishy. Something was rotten in the DC Swamp.Bettors witnessed
Trump dominating. He clearly won not only those key states of Florida,
Ohio and Texas, but Trump also enjoyed large leads in the entire
Midwest- Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa. It was all but
over. Trump had an electoral landslide. Hence the massive 8 to 1 odds
in favor of Trump.

And then it happened. It was the most bizarre call in Election Night
history. Fox News called Arizona for Biden. Why? It wasn’t even close
to over. There was no reason on earth to make that call. Arizona is
STILL not over 8 days later. CNN still hasn’t awarded Arizona. ABC
pulled it back from Biden only 24 hours ago.

Why would Fox News be in such a rush to call Arizona for Biden? At
that moment, Trump’s odds crashed almost instantly from 8 to 1, back
down to 2 to 1. That drop set off alarm bells. My friend who is one of
the biggest bookmakers in the country called me to say, “Wayne,
something is wrong. I’ve never seen a drop like that, let alone a drop
that fast. How can Trump go from 8 to 1, to 2 to 1. Someone knows
something. We’ve got a problem.”

It was as if someone had decided in advance to give Arizona to Biden-
whether he won it, or not. It was as if the secret code was known to
only a few billionaire gamblers, “Fox News awards Arizona to Biden.”
Six magic words. Someone was ready for that call. Someone waited until
Trump was a prohibitive 8 to 1 favorite, then knew to bet millions of
dollars on Biden at the longest odds of the night. Someone knew the
fix was in. Someone made a fortune.

There’s more to the story. First, by awarding both Virginia and
Arizona to Biden way too early in the evening and also going super
slow awarding states to Trump where he led by a mile, Fox News made
sure Biden had the electoral lead all night. That’s another big part
of the story. Just like the fake pollsters suppressed Trump voters for
months in advance of the election with polls falsely showing Trump
losing by a landslide, fake “news desk” employees sure appeared to be
suppressing Trump votes on Election Night. And also creating an air of
invincibility for Biden. If Biden led in every poll before the
election, and led all night in electoral votes, then it wouldn’t look
like a fix was in, when Biden suddenly wound up the winner the morning
after. Right?

One more piece of the puzzle. From almost the moment that secret code
“Fox News awards Arizona to Biden” was spoken, three key Midwest
battleground states with Democrat Governors all decided to stop
counting votes for the night, with Trump way ahead. Why? Why all
three, at the same time? Like they were coordinated in advance.
Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania all mysteriously quit counting
around midnight.

To add to the idea of a fix, these states merely claimed they were
stopping counting for the night. After TV cameras and Republican poll
watchers were all sent home, these Democrat states all resumed
counting, suddenly finding all the ballots they needed to overcome
large Trump leads.

I actually took screen shots before I went to bed. Trump was winning
Michigan by over 300,000 votes when they stopped counting. He was up
in Wisconsin by over 100,000. In Pennsylvania he was up almost 700,000
votes. But in the wee hours of the morning I took a new screenshot.
Suddenly Biden was up by 9,000 in Wisconsin and 30,000 in Michigan.
How’d that happen? I thought they stopped counting?

It all started with that bizarre Arizona call by Fox News.

Folks, someone knew. The fix was in. A few key people made millions
betting on this election. They knew the exact minute to jump in. They
knew exactly when a Trump landslide would turn to a Biden victory,
with the help of a fake TV network call and fake ballots.

They knew Arizona was going to be called way too early. They knew that
fake Arizona call would trigger vote counting to stop and massive
ballot fraud to begin.

I don’t know what the Supreme Court will decide. But bettors all over
the world know in our guts exactly what happened. The fix was in, no
different than that famous NY Giants-Philadelphia Eagle fix in 1978 at
the Meadowlands.

Trump was robbed. This election was stolen.
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-02-2020, 04:53 PM:
 
Huh??
 
Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 12-10-2020, 09:51 PM:
 
I never gave up and it looks like we are now headed for the truth. Hope these 4 states get whats coming to them for cheating.
 
Posted by Trey Ball (Member # 332) on 12-10-2020, 11:40 PM:
 
Thanks for posting that. I'm going to show it to my wife. I told her on election night that someone was going to be making a ton of money off of Biden making a comeback to win the election.

She was confused. I said I was watching the Vegas odds and they moved too quickly in Trump's favor without the swings states being called. It was so odd. The author of the article is correct as well with FOX calling Arizona in a flash for Biden. Once that happened the odds quickly moved back down.

I only wish I would have put more than $20 on Biden at 6:1 odds.

I generally do not believe in conspiracy theories, but I have believed since 1991 that nearly all professional sporting events are fixed and Men's Collegiate Basketball and Football tournaments are fixed. You can just point to way to many examples through the years for it all to just be coincidence.

[ 12-10-2020, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: Trey Ball ]
 
Posted by PaulCat (Member # 513) on 12-11-2020, 08:04 AM:
 
And even if they aren't truly fixed, they are somewhat manipulated. Just about everything in this country is about money.
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-11-2020, 02:07 PM:
 
BC:
quote:
I don’t know what the Supreme Court will decide.
I don't think the SCOTUS wants anything to do with it....It's all BS! I'll be totally shocked if they even take it up.
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-11-2020, 07:24 PM:
 
Well, James and Hunter are both under federal investigation. The old saying goes, The Nut Doesn't Fall Far From the Tree! Yeah, I'd say that describes the whole thing in a nut shell.

Amazing that even Barr states today that he knew about the Hunter situation several months ago but wasn't going to bring it up?

When Trump said it was Him against the World, he wasn't kidding, was he?
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-12-2020, 12:49 PM:
 
My fellow Americans, join me in thanking God for the SCOTUS...

CHECK MATE!
 
Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 12-12-2020, 02:46 PM:
 
MM ... I am guessing you mean the SCOTUS that many members of which you oppose because they will ruin the court system !!!

MEL
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-12-2020, 06:58 PM:
 
Yeah those same guys that we're wiling to replace and stuff the Supreme court in order to have what we want America be Damned! At least we know they are afraid of the liberal party! They obviously aren't doing their job! Surprise things will be really interesting the next 2 years! By then they can probably find another way to steal more votes in the midterm election too!

God Help the USA! We're going to need it! Can't wait to pay for a college education I never got! If I'm lucky I might be able to pay for someone else's mortgage while I'm at it! WOOHOO!

But, it's nice to know that once the election is over that not only Hunter but James and the entire Biden family is under federal investigation. The Nut doesn't fall far from the tree! And LUCKY US, we're getting the entire Obama cabinet back for a second go round. Surprised BHO isn't on his cabinet too, someone with a sound mind is going to have to make the decisions!
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-12-2020, 07:09 PM:
 
Heaven forbid states like Texas would recognize improper election goings on in other states, so basically the SCOTUS is saying that anything goes for future elections! Someone has got their foot in the door so we'll see how far we can push the envelope next time! Russia interfered, you didn't hear anything about interference this time did you! Funny how that worked out for us! Well, time will tell where this country will be in 4 years, we might be about 35 trillion dollars in debt by then!
 
Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 12-13-2020, 09:44 PM:
 
Nah! We'll be bankrupt by then. Of course most of us will be dead in the water also. They know what they're doing. It was planned for biden to have to step aside because of the family graft so Kamala can take over and make AOC her vice president and shoot all the cows. The planes and cars will all be forced to report to the pitswhere they can be melted down. Don't think they will be able to raise enough money to pay for all the tuitions for very long as people with money will not have money for very long. And when they cheat to win the senate races in Georgia this country will be on fire. Conservatives can only control themselves for so long. I expect a civil war in this country before they can get the covid 19 destroyed. That's ok I guess. The liberals wanted this and now they will have to figure out what they are going to do with it. And Shame on the SCOTUS and Barr. You never really know who the enemy is until the chips hit the table.

[ 12-13-2020, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Bama Cat ]
 
Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 12-14-2020, 08:43 AM:
 
Should we just go ahead an call it "The Biden/Harris C19 Vaccine"? You know it's coming.
 
Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 12-14-2020, 09:32 AM:
 
Of course Norm ... the libtards will take all the credit for everything that is good and blame President Trump for anything that is wrong. Of course we have to remember President Trump developed "The Vid" himself !!!

When Hunter is found guilty Creepy Joe will cummute his wrong doings with a snap of his creepy fingers !!!

MEL
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-14-2020, 09:33 AM:
 
Personally, I don't care what you call it, if it is safe and effective I'm going to take it...and so will every other sensible person.

If it would make Trump and his followers feel better maybe Pfizer could stamp Trump's signature on every vile and require all recipients to take a loyalty oath.
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-14-2020, 10:36 AM:
 
MEL:
quote:
When Hunter is found guilty Creepy Joe will cummute his wrong doings with a snap of his creepy fingers !!!
I wouldn't say a whole lot about pardons just yet. Trump is still in office, and has plenty of time to add more names to Flynn and Stone...including himself and his entire family!
 
Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 12-14-2020, 12:20 PM:
 
Stone was not pardoned. His sentence was commuted. I would consider betting money that Mister Biden tries to take credit for this vaccine. Even if he doesn't, the "news" media will give him credit for it.

By the way, I'd like for you to enlighten us on what Mister Trump and is family's crimes are. The only one I can think of was his beating Hillary in 2016.

[ 12-14-2020, 12:24 PM: Message edited by: Old Norm ]
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-14-2020, 02:27 PM:
 
Norm:
quote:
Stone was not pardoned. His sentence was commuted.
OK?

quote:
I would consider betting money that Mister Biden tries to take credit for this vaccine.
Who cares? The word on the street is the vaccine will immunize both republicans and democrats.

Oh, yeah, I'll take that bet Norm.

Look, I give Trump credit for Operation Warp Speed, with the backing and funding from the federal government things can get done much faster.

quote:
By the way, I'd like for you to enlighten us on what Mister Trump and is family's crimes are.
Well, so far there isn't any that I'm personally aware of....but there is this:

Link

Link
 
Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 12-14-2020, 04:26 PM:
 
That's what I like about the left. Even though your claims have been proved untrue you are still right in your own eyes and you still can't drop your claims of wrongdoing.
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-14-2020, 04:31 PM:
 
BC:
quote:
Even though your claims have been proved untrue
???...links?
 
Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 12-14-2020, 06:01 PM:
 
I had to get off of Facebook, because two of my own children hate everything conservative, and think the democrats are as pure as the driven snow. I say that to reiterate that I have no personal animosity against M.M. I'm pretty sure he Hates the Trumps, almost as much as they do. That being said, using Newsweek and Politico as proof of Trump's sins, is akin to us using Fox News to prove Donald Trump and his family are as innocent as babies. M.M, I'm pretty sure you and I could be pretty good friends if we left political discussions out of our conversations. I wish you and your wife well. I had two sons in law. We lost one in 2002, at age 42, with bladder, bone and brain cancer. I have never been close to the second one, just because of politics. I once asked him if he had ever voted for a republican. His answer: "No republican has ever been worthy of my vote. He didn't have to say any more to let me know what he thought of Millie and me. He has been diagnosed with colon cancer, and we pray for him every day, anyway.
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-15-2020, 07:57 AM:
 
Norm:
quote:
M.M, I'm pretty sure you and I could be pretty good friends if we left political discussions out of our conversations. I wish you and your wife well.
I would bet my house on it, Norm. If you and I met as strangers and sat down for a couple tokes, er, uh, drinks we would get along great...don't want to speculate on how we would be acting after the 5th drink though. [Smile]

Wishing you and Miss Millie the best also, Norm.
 
Posted by clydeh (Member # 7) on 12-15-2020, 12:15 PM:
 
You guys are Uk fans!! I hope you will quit arguing about politics. Sometime back, I think I mentioned that we are Americans first. No one wins a political argument.
I am so glad to see these last few posts that are discussing peace.
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-15-2020, 01:42 PM:
 
Peace. why I oughta..........Give you a peace of my mind! J/K
If I gave away to big of a piece of my mind there wouldn't be any left for me! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by clydeh (Member # 7) on 12-15-2020, 02:25 PM:
 
A tiny piece of your mind for peace won't hurt or cause problems.
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-15-2020, 06:01 PM:
 
I'm not sure I have any left to spare.
 
Posted by clydeh (Member # 7) on 12-15-2020, 08:07 PM:
 
m. Hamilton,
It would be good if yo will give it a try. You still have enough of your mind to post on this board. I know I'm not the oldest guy on this board, but I am old and have seen how often peace can cause happiness.
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-15-2020, 09:26 PM:
 
Dr Clyde:
quote:
I hope you will quit arguing about politics.
We're not arguing politics, Dr Clyde, we're assigning blame... a lot more fun. [Smile]

BTW, anybody heard from hc...ain't seen him around lately.
 
Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 12-15-2020, 09:36 PM:
 
I haven't seen Handy for a while. Cal must have seen how bad his team was and hired him back. If so, he has a LOT of work to do.
 
Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 12-15-2020, 10:17 PM:
 
Tip. Lord help them if Handy is running the show !!! I actually thought he was already and that was the problem [Smile] lol

MEL
 
Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 12-16-2020, 07:27 AM:
 
I’m still around. Just taking a short break for a variety of reasons. Too many posters on here I consider friends to ever leave this board for long. Too bad so many of you are wrong on a variety of topics as I have continued to be a regular reader.

I thought it was a good time to take a short break for several reasons.

UK football has returned to, well, UK football.

The best we can hope for with UK basketball 🏀 this year is a nice shiny participation trophy. Tip, Cal is begging for my help. I’ve told him no way this team is going to take my advisory record down. Me and coach Ratface has that in common.

The results of the elections were becoming a little too intense for my mental health. Hopefully the “civil debate” will become more civilized now that the presidential election has been finalized. Pointing the finger at myself here as much as anybody else.

Dr Clyde, I’ve actually had my mind changed on a variety of political topics through the years by reading different views on here. It’s a shame that many of us take it personally when someone has a different opinion other than our own. I resemble that remark at times.

I hope you have all learned some little something from this rather long rambling post. My goal is to educate those who are not blessed with my superior BS.

[ 12-16-2020, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: handycat ]
 
Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 12-16-2020, 10:46 AM:
 
I just hope B.S. is not a transmittable disease!
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-16-2020, 11:55 AM:
 
hc:
quote:
My goal is to educate those who are not blessed with my superior BS.
You shore have lernt me a lot with your superior Brain Speed, hc.
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-16-2020, 02:50 PM:
 
Is BS and STD? If so I won't have to worry about that because you have to be exposed in order to receive the transmission!
 
Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 12-17-2020, 12:26 PM:
 
Getting back to politico, now that everyone but Trump thinks the election is over, I'm wondering how the two dems will pull off the defeat of both the repubs. in GA? Of course I know they will and they will not be caught, again. It's amazing where this country will be heading in January. You can take that last statement either way you want to.
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-17-2020, 01:45 PM:
 
BC:
quote:
now that everyone but Trump thinks the election is over,
Trump knows it's over....he's been knowing it.

quote:
It's amazing where this country will be heading in January.
Can't wait!

The United States of America is the greatest democracy the world has ever known. We didn't get that way by holding "rigged", "corrupt" and "unfair" elections.
 
Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 12-17-2020, 02:21 PM:
 
quote:
The United States of America is the greatest democracy the world has ever known. We didn't get that way by holding "rigged", "corrupt" and "unfair" elections.
No, but we WILL move significantly towards a socialist nation run by an unaccountable elite if this corrupted, rigged, and unfair election holds.

And, socialism inevitably leads to tyranny. So much for our Republic (which, btw, is NOT a democracy).
 
Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 12-17-2020, 02:50 PM:
 
Amen Tip, I wish people knew what they were talking about (democracy) before spewing out untruths.
If you haven't seen it yet, you need to check out what Navarro (spelling) just released about the election results in 5-6 states. Not that it is going to change anything but it makes you realize how far the libs went to secure this election !!!!!!!

MEL
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-17-2020, 03:37 PM:
 
Tip:
quote:
if this corrupted, rigged, and unfair election holds.

Is that an opinion or do you have proof? That's a big deal because if you do have proof you would be the first.
 
Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 12-17-2020, 04:14 PM:
 
Nothing you will see on CNN, NBC, CBS, etc. But there is plenty of reason to believe that this election was surgically rigged.

* Election standards call for less than 1% (actually, MUCH less) be rejected for 'irregularities'. Yet, in one key county, a whopping 68% of ballots were rejected. Once rejected, they are sent to "adjudication", where a clerk can enter ANY VOTE THEY WANT for that ballot.

The only way you can reach 68% rejection rate is to rig the software.

* In such an evenly divided country, six states decide the election. Within those six states, a single large county can swing the state. It appears that the efforts to fraudulently claim this election was very surgically done -- pick out those six counties, and cheat like crazy in them.

* Mail-in (not absentee) ballots seem to be the focus of the cheating. In two key states, Republican election observers were sent home late in the evening. Shortly thereafter, when no vote processing was supposed to be happening, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of votes were tabulated. And guess what? Almost all of them were for Biden.

If you don't smell a fish in that kettle, then your nose may need some fixin'. I really don't have any hope of changing your mind -- you got what you wanted, and nothing will make you question the prize. As Norm said in another thread, "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see".

But, nonetheless, here is a section from an interview with Patrick Byrne, who has been investigating election irregularities since questions arose in the 2018 elections in Texas.

quote:
Byrne says that he fell in with cyber experts who had been looking at election manipulation since 2018 when they were hired as part of a blue-ribbon commission set up to examine potential election fraud in Texas.

“That group has had two years to really reverse engineer what the rest of America has had a couple of weeks to understand,” he said. “They had already figured out really about a dozen different ways you could defeat an election or hack an election—in a broad sense of hack, not necessarily just electronic cyber guys hacking.”

According to Byrne, they found cheating was possible “at an industrial level, in terms of generating hundreds of thousands of fake votes.”

Byrne says the pattern of manipulation can be identified through examining three key points—what he calls “three buckets of facts.”

“One bucket is understanding the systems themselves and how they were built: the functionality that was built into them and the vulnerabilities that exist.”

The second bucket, he says, relates to how the election process played out. “[In the event of fraud] you would expect people to have certain experiences when they either go in and vote or if they volunteer and work in the precincts.”

He gives the examples of vote tabulating being shut down, of poll watchers being denied entry, and of the video of election workers pulling out cases of ballots from under a table after observers had gone home and then scanning them.

The third bucket, he says, is the extreme statistical outliers that would be thrown up by such a manipulation process.

“Things like that happened—these statistical outliers: Having 123,000 votes in a row going to one candidate; or in Pennsylvania, I believe it was 580,000 votes got processed that were 99.4 percent for Biden… and they came through exactly when all the Republicans had been told they had to leave.”

“They’re on the order of you winning the Powerball lottery this week, and next week and the week after—and that happening in dozens of places around America at the same time.”

“When you put those three different narratives together, they also just come together perfectly. They all reinforce each other.”

Believe your media. They are the chorus singing "halleluiah!" about the defeat of "Orange man". There will be not a single word published nor broadcast to cast any doubt upon that. But there is plenty of very credible evidence that this election WAS rigged. Fortunately, we still have checks and balances in place that could stop this charade. I just hope those who can do so have the guts to do it. But, since that would have to be done by the 'establishment republicans', I doubt that they will.
 
Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 12-17-2020, 04:54 PM:
 
I choose to believe Bill Barr, the Supreme Court, other state and federal courts, Republican Governors of the states in question, Republican Attorney Generals of the states in question, the Republican election officials of these states and many many good honest Republican Politicians who put integrity before politics.

But that’s just me. Everybody is free to believe as they will.

[ 12-17-2020, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: handycat ]
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-17-2020, 06:06 PM:
 
Oh, I thought we were supposed to believe only what we are spoon fed by the Mainstream media. They wouldn't lead us astray in order to fit their narrative. The very moment DJT said that MSM was "Fake News" They began working with whomever they could find to assist them to get "Orange Man Bad" out of office because he wouldn't fall in line with their way of leading the sheep!
Baa, baa, baa like lambs lead to slaughter. We just get in line and not ask any questions and all will be well until you bleed out!
 
Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 12-17-2020, 09:18 PM:
 
I’ll try to make this my last post on this particular thread.

Do I think the media bias against Trump affected the outcome of the election? ABSOLUTELY! The hatred by the news media (including FOX) probably cost Trump the election. I believe he brought most of that on himself but that doesn't excuse it or make it appropriate. However, media bias and “fixing” a presidential election is entirely two different animals. At least in my eyes.

When Trump was impeached the vast majority was saying “show us the proof”. The House was unable to do so and he was acquitted by the Senate. I happened to agree with that acquittal. Why? Because there was not enough proof.

Now many Trump supporters want to throw out the results of the election based on conspiracy theories, vague insinuations but most importantly, because Donald said so. With absolutely no proof. Most of the courts would not even hear the cases because the evidence was so flimsy or non existent.

Should evidence and proof only be appropriate when it agrees with our opinions?

[ 12-17-2020, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: handycat ]
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-17-2020, 09:59 PM:
 
Tip:
quote:
But there is plenty of very credible evidence that this election WAS rigged.
Apparently none of this "credible evidence" has made it's way to court yet?
 
Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 12-17-2020, 10:47 PM:
 
The evidence is not in question, y'all. It is whether anybody has "legal standing" to file a case and have the evidence heard.

So far, SCOTUS has ducked one attempt, and others have failed as well. We live in a court of public opinion, and I don't think any "real" court is willing to stand against it.

Great nations don't die in a blaze of glory. They die of cowardice. When we refuse to defend the institutions that undergird our culture, our culture is no more.

--Tiptree (he/him), cowering, quivering possessor of white guilt. Might as well join the lemmings, er, winners.
 
Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 12-17-2020, 10:53 PM:
 
Like Handy, I am done with this thread too. Clydeh is right...nobody wins any of these debates. We all believe what fits our worldview.

One of my friends, a doctor, now has COVID. He tested positive today, with symptoms, a day before he was scheduled to receive the vaccine.

Another friend, my bridge partner, is receiving an experimental drug from Lilly. She is positive for COVID, and can barely breathe. She has multiple complicating conditions, and is over 70. Her husband also has COVID, and now has pneumonia. I don't think either one of them will survive.

So, to hell with politics. Let the Socialist Era begin! I don't give a sh*t any more, because apparently everybody is happy and can't wait for Biden to take office, because, well, he isn't Trump. And that, honestly, is about the only positive thing one can say about him.

So, let the election stand. The only evidence of election fraud that seems acceptable is that which is printed in the NY Times or broadcast on CNN. If that is your criteria, you are right... there is no evidence. But if you can read what I wrote above and NOT sense that something is terribly, terribly wrong, well, nothing really matters, does it?

Congratulations, MM. If any of us live that long, I will check back with you in 4 years and see if you still like your country. I will do my best to still love what is left of America.

[ 12-17-2020, 10:57 PM: Message edited by: Tiptree ]
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-18-2020, 01:46 AM:
 
Tip:
quote:
Great nations don't die in a blaze of glory. They die of cowardice. When we refuse to defend the institutions that undergird our culture, our culture is no more.
I'm with you, Tip. The only thing we probably disagree on is who the cowards are.

[ 12-18-2020, 01:47 AM: Message edited by: MountainMafia ]
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-18-2020, 02:21 AM:
 
Tip:
quote:
nobody wins any of these debates.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 12-18-2020, 09:28 AM:
 
Tip was right. The only yhing keeping this from being investigated in court is that NO ONE HAS STANDING, except Trump. He is the only one standing in the way now and they will sweep him under the rug soon. If they rig the vote AGAIN in the Senate races it's all over, including the shouting. If the incumbents (at least one) win then we are going to be in the biggest DO NOTHING CONGRESS for the next 2 or 4 years you've ever seen. Biden will get less done than any other president in history.

[ 12-18-2020, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: Bama Cat ]
 
Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 12-18-2020, 09:29 PM:
 
Yeah, but think just how much money Hunter could make if Joe was president instead of Vice.
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-19-2020, 07:40 AM:
 
That's right, Norm....Wonder if Hunter has thought of this.

Link
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-19-2020, 09:38 AM:
 
The $617 Million pails in comparison to the $1.06 Billion that was raised for the Biden Harris campaign. Especially given the fact that he made less than 15 appearances/ month the final 3 months leading up to the election! But what do I know about finances. Last I checked though, that's almost $400M more!

I knew when I clicked on the MM link it would be about his favorite Billionaire!

I'm sure that extra $400M went to HB's drug/gambling habit fund?
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-19-2020, 09:57 AM:
 
mh:
quote:
The $617 Million pails in comparison to the $1.06 Billion that was raised for the Biden Harris campaign. Especially given the fact that he made less than 15 appearances/ month the final 3 months leading up to the election! But what do I know about finances. Last I checked though, that's almost $400M more!
Trump has raised over $200M for his so-called "defense fund" since he lost the election just 6 weeks ago. Oh, BTW, only 25% of these donations go to "defending" Trump...the other 75% goes in his pocket.

Link

Keep the funds flowing guys...Trump, your favorite Billionaire, desperately needs your help.
 
Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 12-19-2020, 12:01 PM:
 
quote:
Oh, BTW, only 25% of these donations go to "defending" Trump...the other 75% goes in his pocket.
MM, think you need reading glasses. There is no way one can deduce your conclusions from the article you linked. It says that the funds are divided essentially into three buckets:

For donations up to $5,000, 25% goes to the RNC (that would be up to $1,250), with 75% going to his new PAC. Amounts over $5,000 go to his "recount" fund.

None (that would be ZERO dollars) of that goes into Trump's pocket, although the PAC money can be used to pay off campaign debts.

Really, MM. Get a grip. Your man Biden outraised Trump by a factor of 2.5 in September/October ($1.5 billion for Biden, versus $620 million for Trump). Big Wall Street donors and Tech Giant billionaires made sure he had no lack of money. Big Tech and the media made sure that conservative voices were muted, and that no negative news about Biden was circulated. And, yet, he still almost lost against the most unpopular man on the planet, and needed a little help from crooked election officials and tainted software to pull it off.

Enjoy your victory. No need to be sour.

[ 12-19-2020, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: Tiptree ]
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-19-2020, 08:11 PM:
 
Tip:
quote:
None (that would be ZERO dollars) of that goes into Trump's pocket, although the PAC money can be used to pay off campaign debts.
Trump can also use it to pay "consulting fees"...including to himself. His PAC amounts to no more than a personal slush fund to be used virtually any way he wants.

quote:
And, yet, he still almost lost against the most unpopular man on the planet,
306-232 electoral votes...Trump called this a "landslide" win.

7 million more popular votes...Trump hasn't said anything about this...I guess cause he ain't never won the popular vote.

Somehow this don't look like "almost lost".

quote:
and needed a little help from crooked election officials and tainted software to pull it off.
I'm not the one who needs to "get a grip", my friend.
 
Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 12-19-2020, 09:17 PM:
 
Trump never mentions the popular vote totals because they don't matter a whit. And you, me, and all of us here in "flyover country" better be glad of that. We only have a voice in presidential elections because of the electoral college. If it was a nationwide popular vote, the coastal cities would always determine the winner. I suppose that is OK with you, since those coastal cities ALWAYS vote overwhelmingly for the democrat candidate, even ones like AOC. But the electoral college is designed to force candidates to at least try to appeal to all of America. If it didn't exist, candidates wouldn't give a rat's ass about Alabama, or Kentucky, or Indiana. They would spend all their time campaigning in the Megacities.

That need to appeal to many voters, across all states, is why campaigns typically have rallies and speeches everywhere. Biden? He just stayed in his basement. Trump was out campaigning, and was greeted by massive crowds of enthusiastic supporters. Heck, spontaneous rallies sprang up all across the country. And Trump recorded 12 million more votes in this election than the last one.

But, Biden, whose few appearances were to empty venues, somehow generated even more votes? That doesn't raise any alarm bells in your head?

It all came down to six counties, in six swing states. Those six counties are the very ones that seemed to engage in election fraud (and there really is plenty of evidence that they did, your willful ignorance notwithstanding). If there was fraud, and results reversed, then the electoral count would look DRAMATICALLY different.

Imagine that. Just six counties effectively determined the winner of this election. And all six had very suspicious behavior by voting officials, and statistically improbable (if not impossible) vote tallies in the wee hours after everybody went home. Hmmmmmmm.....

BTW, no successful candidate before your man Joe Biden EVER set up an "office of the President-Elect". No candidate ever claimed to be the president-elect prior to the completion of the confirmation process. Either Biden is a pompous ass, or he really wants to rush things to avoid something.

[ 12-19-2020, 09:18 PM: Message edited by: Tiptree ]
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-19-2020, 09:46 PM:
 
Tip:
quote:
BTW, no successful candidate before your man Joe Biden EVER set up an "office of the President-Elect". No candidate ever claimed to be the president-elect prior to the completion of the confirmation process. Either Biden is a pompous ass, or he really wants to rush things to avoid something.
Link
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-20-2020, 08:54 AM:
 
What I find interesting is that Kamala still hasn't resigned her senate seat. What's up with that? She afraid if she steps down from that seat she won't have another position in DC?
 
Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 12-20-2020, 09:46 AM:
 
Maybe she's been too busy entertaining Willie Brown to get that little detail taken care of. Or, maybe she's consulting with Hillary about how to get Sleepy Joe out of the way. Who knows?
 
Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 12-20-2020, 11:14 AM:
 
Norm ... may be she is entertaining Willie and Hillary at the same time !!!
Creepy Joe won't be around for his 4 year term.

MEL
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-20-2020, 01:03 PM:
 
^^^^^Good points by both of you gentlemen!^^^^^^^^
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-20-2020, 01:09 PM:
 
mh:
quote:
She afraid if she steps down from that seat she won't have another position in DC?
She already has another position in DC...she'll be replacing Mike Pence.
 
Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 12-20-2020, 01:17 PM:
 
She might be filling the seat but they have absolutely nothing else in common. Mike didn't sleep his way to the top. As a matter of fact he graduated from a college about 15 miles from where I'm sitting right now, while working his way through college.
Unlike a lot of the men/women in DC, Mike doesn't sleep around on his wife. If you remember, he was ridiculed for not even going out to eat with another female unless there was more than a party of 2. Mike is highly thought of in this fly over state I live in.

If Kamala is so comfortable in having the VP position it seems odd that she's afraid to give up the other one unless they were passing out a Christmas bonus and she wasn't going to receive one if she quit her "job"!
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-20-2020, 01:20 PM:
 
MEL:
quote:
Creepy Joe won't be around for his 4 year term.
He won't?
 
Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 12-20-2020, 01:31 PM:
 
mh:
quote:
If Kamala is so comfortable in having the VP position it seems odd that she's afraid to give up the other one
Mike Pence was Governor of Indiana until Jan 9, 2017....we're still in December with Harris...I'm going going to give it a little time and see what happens.
 


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