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Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 03-28-2020, 07:35 AM:

I’m almost ashamed to say I was Channel Surfing this morning and stopped briefly on CNN. They were talking about how racist it is for Trump to keep calling this the “Chinese Flu.” IMO, this is taking political correctness to new heights.

I make no secret that I’m no fan of Donald Trump’s character but it’s no wonder he hates the news media.

[ 03-28-2020, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: handycat ]

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 08:04 AM:

hc:

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I’m almost ashamed to say I was Channel Surfing this morning and stopped briefly on CNN.

Don't be ashamed at all, hc. That's what I like about you...you are willing to step outside the bubble for a different perspective...it may not change your mind, but at least you will listen.

This is the biggest reason not to call it the "Chinese Flu".

Link

Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 03-28-2020, 09:04 AM:

M&M, i’m “listening” to this link but I’m sure not agreeing.

Anyone using this as an excuse to attack Asian Americans is just looking for an excuse to attack someone of a different race or nationality. A racist is going to be a racist and is just looking for any excuse.

By this logic, if the virus originated in Sweden and Trump called it the Swedish virus, blonde, blue eyed Americans would have been at risk.

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Posted by PaulCat (Member # 513) on 03-28-2020, 09:30 AM:

Let's see, we have the Asian flu, Spanish Flu and Hong Kong flu which Trump is not responsible for those names. So now Trump says Chinese flu and everyone (and by everyone I mean the democrats) get their panties in a wad.

What is worse than saying "Chinese flu" is those moron reporters in the press conferences who ask Trump why he is calling it the Chinese flu.

Ok, I've got to go eat eat breakfast now. I'm having Swedish meatballs, French fries and Polish sausage.... Oh crap, i must be a racist.

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 09:37 AM:

hc:

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A racist is going to be a racist and is just looking for any excuse.

Exactly!...so why give them an excuse?

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-28-2020, 10:05 AM:

The Chinese are shaking in their boots, waiting for the world to come to them led by President Trump, knowing they will have to explain how/why they unleased this Chinese virus on the world and kept it hidden so long.. Lots of questions will be given and lots of answers required once this crisis is under control..

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 03-28-2020, 10:07 AM:

The point is, they don't need a damned excuse. And don't call me a Kentuckian anymore, you Alabama Redneck!

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 10:16 AM:

Norm:

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And don't call me a Kentuckian anymore, you Alabama Redneck!

I don't have a clue what you're talking about!

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 10:19 AM:

Ed:

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The Chinese are shaking in their boots,

So am I!

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 03-28-2020, 10:24 AM:

Paul Cat .... exactly my thoughts. The media will attack President Trump no matter what he says.
I loved watching the Jefferson's and All in The Family. Way before we had to be politically correct … they were so funny and everyone knew they were for entertainment.
BTW … I haven't read the new stimulus package but one of the versions had something to do with large companies having to have diversified boards. MM can you explain why the hell anyone thinks they have the right to tell me as a business owner who I have to have on my board of directors ??? Isn't this a free country and it is "MY" business ??? I truly do not understand that idea.

MEL

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 10:30 AM:

Damned if I know Mel. Who knows what all is in that bill?

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 03-28-2020, 10:37 AM:

I agree MM and I am not going to read the hundreds of pages I am sure it is. I heard Pelosi's was 1400 pages but haven't heard what the final one is. I know you have to put legal wording in things like this but come on … 1400 pages is covering a lot of pork written in there by different groups wanting something for their agenda.

MEL

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 03-28-2020, 10:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by MountainMafia:
Norm:

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And don't call me a Kentuckian anymore, you Alabama Redneck!
I don't have a clue what you're talking about!

I was trying to be funny. Sorry you didn't understand.

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 11:25 AM:

Oh, OK...in that case [Big Grin]

BTW, not only am I a proud Alabama Redneck but I also claim the great honor of being a Kentucky Hillbilly.

I guess you could say that I'm "eat up with it"
[Smile]

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Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 12:08 PM:

Right now I don't care what anybody calls this virus or where it is from. You can call it Nina from China for all I care, just fix it!

The only thing that matters at this point is our response, and I'm not feeling real confident about it.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-28-2020, 01:23 PM:

The response imv by our President has been correct and right on. . No one on earth could have predicted that the Chinese would drop this pandemic on us after at first hiding it.

The prior administrations left the shelves bare when they left office.

Don't forget the "States" have the responsible of keeping their states ready for an emergency and it is apparent that very few did anything but rely on the govt to bail them out! i.e. see NO with Katrina for a local example..

Posted by clydeh (Member # 7) on 03-28-2020, 02:28 PM:

In 1957 or 1958, I can't remember exactly, but I was in college and had the "Asian flu". That term is not as specific as the "Chinese flu", but it is a region of the world. I don't think there was an outcry about that name.

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 03-28-2020, 02:35 PM:

The outcry is from the people that have to have a safe place when someone tells them something that hurts their feelers !!! Grow up and get a life quit *****ing about what someone says that might hurt your feelings.

MEL

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 03:17 PM:

Ed:

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No one on earth could have predicted that the Chinese would drop this pandemic on us after at first hiding it.

That's true, except for the South Koreans. They had their first confirmed case the same day as we did...theirs is under control..ours is out of control.

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The prior administrations left the shelves bare when they left office.

How long does it take to restock supplies, at least enough 50 cent gloves and mask to protect our health care providers?

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Don't forget the "States" have the responsible of keeping their states ready for an emergency and it is apparent that very few did anything but rely on the govt to bail them out! i.e. see NO with Katrina for a local example..

The way I see it is the Federal Government is the man of the house. When the house catches on fire you don't tell your family to find their own way out.

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 03-28-2020, 04:15 PM:

MM... the Federal Gov may be the man of the house but the Governors are in charge of their state. Trump can't tell them to open up the jobs in their states (many aren't agreeing with his assessment on opening things back up). So if they don't won't to work with him and know what is best for their state and think they can take care of their state then why do they run to the Federal Gov only when they haven't taken care of their obligations to their state that they were elected to protect ??? New Orleans for example …. they know it is in a basin and there will be floods but they keep building right back in the basin. But when it floods they want the Fed Gov to come in a help them out. I use to tell my parents that looks like a good house to move into and they would look at it and say that is the low part of town and all the flood water runs through there. We didn't get much rain but a few years later we got a huge rain and all of those houses had water 8 to 10 inches deep (if not more) in them. They built fences around them to keep the water out after that but water gets through fences and falls from the sky and once inside the fence they couldn't get it out fast enough (back in the house it went). It wasn't the city's job to take care of them, they built the house there knowing (or should have checked) that it was the low spot in town That was 50 years ago and still to this day when it rains big those houses take in water. The city has tried to change the run offs in that area by working with the road department but it will always be the low end of town and water always flows down hill.
I know this virus surprised everyone but as the leader of your state you should have money and resources set aside for disasters and not rely on the Fed Gov for "everything". This speaks to Rep and Dems, if the government were better stewards with all the money they gets from their tax payers there would be plenty of money set aside for disasters and such but they want to have the best this and the biggest that and waste sooooooo money on stuff their state doesn't need. As the leader you are in charge. Who knows how many people are going to die from this virus but we do know that we have other viruses killing people all the time as well as DWI deaths and drug deaths etc. Sometimes we as a state have to step up and make things happen and not always rely on someone else to bail us out. My parents always taught me to be able to take care of myself (especially financially … have a savings for rainy days), don't expect someone else to pull you out. There may be those that will help you but you can't always rely on them.

Just my 2 cents.

MEL

PS … sorry for the novel.

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 03-28-2020, 04:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MountainMafia:
Ed:
[QUOTE]]The way I see it is the Federal Government is the man of the house. When the house catches on fire you don't tell your family to find their own way out.

And that is the main difference between liberals and conservatives. Or should I say democrats and republicans?

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-28-2020, 04:55 PM:

"How long does it take to restock supplies, at least enough 50 cent gloves and mask to protect our health care providers?"

State governments have a responsibly to their own.
They could have restocked ".50 cent" gloves!

I believe the states crying the most are run by democratic govts?

"
"The way I see it is the Federal Government is the man of the house. When the house catches on fire you don't tell your family to find their own way out."

I see it different - you first call ur local fire dept not the one in WashDC. The feds are there to augment your responsibility and supplement it. Cumo for example says he needed 40K respirators but fail to say he had 4k in a warehouse not used until pressed by a reporter..

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Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 05:05 PM:

To begin with this is not a state by state problem, this is a national crises, the worst in my lifetime. This virus doesn't know if it's Michigan or Texas, and doesn't care.

States went out to locate supplies only to find out the Federal Gov't was out bidding them.

One hospital in LA reported they had 100k mask ordered for 2 weeks....the day before delivery they were informed that FEMA had come in and taken them.

Even when supplies are located states are bidding against each other...BIDDING! Price gouging is rampant and states have no choice but pay or do without!

And let us not forget, not for a second, what our health care providers are sacrificing.

They are unprotected, under supplied, isolated from their families, exhausted....and absolutely terrified! But we look up and there they are...and they are pleading for help!

In short...this ain't going good!

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 03-28-2020, 05:18 PM:

My question is why is anyone bidding on anything ??? They have a price and you pay it. Why is anyone state or Fed allowing price gouging ??? It is against the law and they should be shut down immediately. We do still have law enforcement agencies that take care of price gouging. Trump has ordered companies to make things that they don't normally make to help with things such as respirators and I saw where one well known company was making items that would help with these problems before anyone ordered them to.
As far as disasters there is no disaster that has ever known if it was hitting Michigan or Texas.
All of our government would be in a lot better state if they were better stewards of "OUR" money !!!
I think it is time for term limits across the board. If it is good enough for the President it is good enough for the SWAMP (drain it) !!! A government position was never meant to be a lifetime job that you get very wealthy from !!! They have forgotten that they are there to serve the people not their self interests (both Dems and Rep).

MEL

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Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 05:24 PM:

Ed:

quote:

I believe the states crying the most are run by democratic govts?

That's true...for now! It ain't over...get back with me in a couple weeks.

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Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 05:29 PM:

Norm:

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And that is the main difference between liberals and conservatives. Or should I say democrats and republicans?

How do you see it then?

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-28-2020, 05:40 PM:

I don't know states govern themselves but for sure FL is run by a republication and has been for a while. and we have a surplus of funds.

Calif and NY are run by Democrats and they are always crying about money from the feds.

Louisiana is run by democrats and they practically destroyed their state during Katrina not to mention the virus now.

That's one difference which is seen by all during a world wide crisis..

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 05:48 PM:

MEL:

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My question is why is anyone bidding on anything ??? They have a price and you pay it. Why is anyone state or Fed allowing price gouging ??? It is against the law and they should be shut down immediately.

Because most of these items are not made in the US and are not subject to US law.

Trump could put much more pressure on these companies/countries than any state. Without federal intervention the states deal with what they deal with.

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 05:50 PM:

Ed:

quote:
I don't know states govern themselves but for sure FL is run by a republication and has been for a while. and we have a surplus of funds.

Calif and NY are run by Democrats and they are always crying about money from the feds.

Louisiana is run by democrats and they practically destroyed their state during Katrina not to mention the virus now.

That's one difference which is seen by all during a world wide crisis..

Deflect and blame...some things never change!

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-28-2020, 05:51 PM:

Just true statements - guess the truth hurts!

As the democrats say - never let a crisis go without getting something -sorta like the pork added to the relief bill by the democrats and Cumo using every moment of airtime to bash Trump.

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Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 03-28-2020, 05:58 PM:

MM … so FEMA is getting items and President Trump has sent 2 naval hospital ships (LA and NYC). Isn't that helping the states with much needed items and in these cases hospital beds ??? Sounds like the Feds are doing things for states not just hording items states need. Doesn't the stimulus package address state needs as far as health needs ???

MEL

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 06:13 PM:

Ed:

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As the democrats say - never let a crisis go without getting something -sorta like the pork added to the relief bill by the democrats and Cumo using every moment of airtime to bash Trump.

Poor Trump [Frown]

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-28-2020, 06:50 PM:

Yes MM despite the press the democrats Trump is getting the job done....
p.s. I sorta like talking with you - tks missed it! [Wink]

"poor trump" actually he is quite rich as he made his money in the private sector whereas members of congress will sell their souls for their votes. both parties btw

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Posted by PaulCat (Member # 513) on 03-28-2020, 07:25 PM:

Short of completely shutting down the country, I don't think there's anything the federal govt (or any president) could've done that would've made things different than they currently are. I barely read the news and i know what's out there. I've gone out maybe twice in the last two weeks. I'm staying away from people, especially elderly and those with conditions - my daughter-in-law has asthma and I won't go near her. This virus needs to be stopped by the people, not the govt. There's an idiot (I believe in Ky) who went to a freaking Coronavirus party and then tested positive. Trust me, there should be very little govt blame going around. People should be smarter than this.

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 07:38 PM:

Ed:

quote:
I don't know states govern themselves but for sure FL is run by a republication and has been for a while. and we have a surplus of funds.

Link

Like I said....get back with me in a couple weeks.

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 03-28-2020, 07:41 PM:

We had our first death in this county recently. I think I know him. A 77 year old minister, last name Howton. Name not in obits yet. May be too soon.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-28-2020, 07:42 PM:

You want it to get worse to prove a point? Sounds like the news media!

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 03-28-2020, 07:52 PM:

One more thing: I was coerced (online) by a daughter and a brother, into downloading the Walmart app. My daughter placed our first order, and we picked it up between 4:00 and 5:00pm yesterday. worked like a charm. I had to notify them when we left to pick it up, and enable them to see my location. When we pulled into the designated parking spot, I got a text message from them, "You are here!". In less than a minute, a girl came out with our order. I popped the trunk lid and she loaded them. She came back to the window and asked if I wanted her to sign the receipt for me. She also flattered me by asking for my birth date, because there was a case of beer in the order. I did, and gave her a $2 tip, just because she was cute.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-28-2020, 08:04 PM:

Norm we have been ordering out every night and sending our dau out to pick it up and leaving a 7-8 dol tip to help out. Tonight I gave 10 dols . Figured the waitresses need all the help they can get...You did good with the Walmart girl!

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-28-2020, 08:07 PM:

Ed:

quote:
You want it to get worse to prove a point? Sounds like the news media!

I wouldn't wish this on anybody for any reason...just trying to point out that this virus is not partisan...it don't give a damn who your governor is!

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-28-2020, 09:42 PM:

True MM - I know ur heart is right.

My point is how the governors response. Some better than others. This is no time for them to make political points like some are. See Cumo.

Just do ur job and help the Fed govt out...

Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 03-28-2020, 11:11 PM:

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The way I see it is the Federal Government is the man of the house. When the house catches on fire you don't tell your family to find their own way out.

Actually, Norm was correct. This IS the defining difference between modern Democrats and Republicans.

Our form of government is a Federal Republic. At least, it is supposed to be. The Republic part means we are not a direct democracy, but a representative one. The Federal part means that we are a federation of states. The constitution defines precisely and completely the powers of the Federal government. All other powers are reserved for the states.

Ironically, the two parties started off very different than today. The democrats favored decentralized power, and the first Republican greatly expanded the federal government's power.
The civil war was not only fought over slavery, but over the balance of power between the states and the federal government. When Lincoln was elected as the first Republican president, he was elected on an abolitionist. The "slave states" played their ultimate trump card, secession, since the writing was on the wall that unless they left the union, their economic base would be harmed. Lincoln actually moved the power center strongly away from states to the Federal government.

Since then, however, it has been the democrats who tend to enlarge and expand the power and reach of the federal government, while the Republicans try to resist that and even (rarely) shrink it. FDR stretched the reach of the Federal government in ways that rendered the constitution moot. LBJ did even more.

Reagan succeeded in pushing back in a limited way, and Trump is trying his best to do the same. George W Bush actually expanded the Federal government (TSA, Medicare part D, etc.).

Look at the two parties' platforms. The democrat planks all expand and enlarge the Federal government. The Republican planks favor non-governmental solutions.

Back to this crises, Ed is correct. It is the states' responsibility to mobilize and act in times of domestic crisis. The GOVERNOR is the "man of the house", not Trump. The Feds created FEMA and other agencies to coordinate and augment, but it was never intended to be the primary response. Each state can mobilize the national guard (surprisingly, none have!), each state has a public health office, each state has its own disaster response organizations.

Trump could have acted sooner, but in our system of government, that would NOT have been appropriate. It is designed to be that way. If you want efficiency, go live in an autocratic state. If you want liberty, you must accept some trade-offs.

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 03-28-2020, 11:32 PM:

Very well said Tip.
The only bad part (for the Dems) is if everyone went with this the media wouldn't have anything to blame on President Trump.

MEL

Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 03-29-2020, 07:09 AM:

If this is the states responsibility why is the President talking about Quarantines in several states and saying they would be enforced? Once again, I’m confused.

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Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-29-2020, 07:35 AM:

Tip:

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If you want efficiency, go live in an autocratic state. If you want liberty, you must accept some trade-offs.

I didn't know that liberty and efficiency were incompatible. Even so, the trade-off shouldn't be chaos and death, which is where we are now.

We have states competing for, even stealing, precious PPE supplies from other states. FEMA is stealing them from everybody, with nobody knowing where they're going and who is going to get them...No coordination whatsoever!

All the while we have nurses and doctors terrified and stressed to the breaking point begging and pleading for help.

I bet these folks have a whole different perspective on what "appropriate" is.

MEL:

quote:
The only bad part (for the Dems) is if everyone went with this the media wouldn't have anything to blame on President Trump.

This is the same old "poor me" persecution that Trump has embraced and cultivated his entire life.
Like Trump said: "I take no responsibility at all"...one of the few times I agree with him.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-29-2020, 07:50 AM:

" Trump said: "I take no responsibility at all"...one of the few times I agree with him."

I think MM you are taking that statement out of context! I remotely remember a member of the press asking about the virus in general, and trump responding..

Enlighten me if I am wrong!

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-29-2020, 07:53 AM:

"We have states competing for, even stealing, precious PPE supplies from other states. FEMA is stealing them from everybody, with nobody knowing where they're going and who is going to get them...No coordination whatsoever!"

If you (state) ask for fed help (FEMA) then you have to abide by their priorities! Stealing is the wrong word!

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-29-2020, 07:58 AM:

"The civil war was not only fought over slavery, but over the balance of power between the states and the federal government. When Lincoln was elected as the first Republican president, he was elected on an abolitionist. The "slave states" played their ultimate trump card, secession"
______________________________________________

BTW MM On March 20, 1864 the Republican Party of the United States was founded by slavery opponents at a schoolhouse in Ripon, Wisconsin.

So it has always been the democrats that have used and abused the black population of this great country as they continue to do by "giving" stuff for votes...

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-29-2020, 08:13 AM:

Ed:

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I think MM you are taking that statement out of context! I remotely remember a member of the press asking about the virus in general, and trump responding..

Enlighten me if I am wrong!

Context is definitely important.

Link

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So it has always been the democrats that have used and abused the black population of this great country as they continue to do by "giving" stuff for votes..

Like bailing out the farmers!

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Posted by EnterpriseCat (Member # 2881) on 03-29-2020, 08:14 AM:

South Korea has about a sixth of our population and in the winter months most of the citizens wear masks even when there is no virus outbreak. That had to help keep the spreading of the virus down.

Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 03-29-2020, 08:18 AM:

Quote by me If this is the states responsibility why is the President talking about Quarantines in several states and saying they would be enforced? Once again, I’m confused.

I see now he has tweeted that the quarantine will not be necessary at this time. He obviously believes he has the authority to dictate to the states what they should do in this pandemic.

Not to be more obtuse than normal, but again, does he has the authority to do this or is he full of sh*t?

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Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-29-2020, 08:38 AM:

"Context is definitely important."

You might want to relook at video..
he shouldn't take responsibility for the errors of previous administrations. Obama never did - he just
blamed bush.

Trump is not a politician - he tells it like it is and some cant stand it!

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-29-2020, 08:39 AM:

Ed:

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I sorta like talking with you - tks missed it!

Welcome back, Ed!

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-29-2020, 08:48 AM:

Ed:

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he shouldn't take responsibility for the errors of previous administrations.

More deflect and blame. Nobody is asking Trump to take responsibility for previous admins errors...just his.

The question was does he take any responsibility for the lag in testing. The answer was "I take no responsibility at all"....none, nada.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-29-2020, 08:52 AM:

The question was does he take any responsibility for the lag in testing. The answer was "I take no responsibility at all"....none, nada.

If anything he was out in front of it by closing travel etc. Of course the dems got on him for doing it. He has the foresight that a politician does not. See Biden's response for example

lack of testing falls directly on the previous admin lack of refilling the shelves and the current state govts lack of doing anything until Trump jumped in....Trump recognized the treat early and went to work..

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Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-29-2020, 09:22 AM:

Ed:

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If anything he was out in front of it by closing travel etc.

That was a good move, no question. Still, the first confirmed case in the US was Jan 20...The travel ban took effect Feb 2...two weeks later.

quote:

lack of testing falls directly on the previous admin lack of refilling the shelves

Honestly, I can't think of a weaker argument....it's been 3 YEARS!

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-29-2020, 09:29 AM:

hc:

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does he has the authority to do this or is he full of sh*t?

If the situation were dire enough that he declared Marshall law I would say yes he has the authority.

On the other part...I would also say yes.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 03-29-2020, 09:33 AM:

"Honestly, I can't think of a weaker argument....it's been 3 YEARS!"

Try this - The Governors shuld have been in full prevention, until such time as the feds get up to speed. Fact of the matter - the feds before trump never made an effort to replenish supplies - you can bet ur bottom dollar that there will now be a whole new system in place after this - something that Obama should have done after his crisis.

Blame Trump is all you guys got - doesn't matter what is going on - it is his fault..

Sad part the Democratic party is a joke and a laughing stock - two old guys who have been in congress over 40 yrs each and now somehow they are going to run the country even though they haven't done anything up to now! best you got!

A Democratic house run by a ding bat whose members added so much nonsense "pork" to a national crisis bill to exploit the American people for things they want. i.e Kennedy center. planned parenthood etc. Any registered democrate should be hiding his head in shame the way that party has turned to a far left agenda - see AOC..

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Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-29-2020, 09:51 AM:

Ed:

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something that Obama should have done after his crisis.

Obama did handle it poorly and was damn lucky to avoid a disaster. He did however recognize that and put in place a national emergency response unit to keep track of possible pandemic threats...Trump dismantled it!...can't wait to see what this "new system" looks like.

Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 03-29-2020, 09:59 AM:

I certainly don’t blame Trump for this pandemic or past presidents for theirs. I’ve stated many times, I support most of his decisions and policies. I’m sure he has made some mistakes handling this crisis but anyone else would have as well. I’m also positive he is incapable of admitting any of them. The vast majority of criticism of Trump stems from the intense dislike of him as a person.

IMO, we need to put this aside, at least during this national disaster.

I’m an unashamed conservative and Republican. That doesn’t prevent me from recognizing boorish inappropriate behavior when I see it. We need to support the policies and forget the character issues. I have to keep reminding myself of this.

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Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 03-29-2020, 10:08 AM:

hc:

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IMO, we need to put this aside, at least during this national disaster.

I couldn't agree more, hc.

But, you know what, we won't...and the result is going to be catastrophic!