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Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 02-05-2020, 06:45 PM:

I think two senators shot themselves in the foot this afternoon. One democrat and one RINO. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, and Mitt Romney of Utah. West Virginia is a red state, and Mister Manchin usually is a moderate. I predict that he will lose his seat in his next election. I would be tempted to bet money, that Mister Romney will lose his as well. Nobody likes a traitor.

P.S. Ms Pelosi should lose because of her very childish actions, but being from California, she'll be hailed as a heroine.

[ 02-05-2020, 06:47 PM: Message edited by: Old Norm ]

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-05-2020, 07:26 PM:

I'll be shocked if the impeachment is conversation a month from now, let alone in November.

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 02-05-2020, 08:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MountainMafia:
I'll be shocked if the impeachment is conversation a month from now, let alone in November.

MM … Hmmmmm you answered Norm in the thread about Witnesses with the following ….

Norm:
quote:

I hope it costs them a lot more in November. The American people are not stupid, and I fully expect the GOP will keep the presidency and the senate, and retake the house.

You said ... I wouldn't bet the farm on that, Norm. Over 75% of Americans, including a plurality of republicans, wanted to hear from witnesses.

So which is it ??? The voters remember or don't remember the Impeachment process a month from now ???

MEL

[ 02-05-2020, 08:41 PM: Message edited by: MEL ]

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-05-2020, 08:45 PM:

I need help MEL..What?

Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 02-05-2020, 10:10 PM:

Mitt Romney is 73 years old and has 4 years left in his senate term. I have no idea if he will be interested in a senate seat in 4 years when he will be 77. Several have served longer than that but many more have given up their political careers by that age.

While I don’t agree with his decision, I believe he made it in good faith. He had nothing to gain politically with this decision as Utah is bright red. The left will certainly not embrace him long term. He is smart enough to realize this and must know that he is now politically dead.

On the other hand, he has a lot to lose. He will be demonized by the right, shunned by the left and ignored by the rest. Trump will make every attempt to get revenge. He has demonstrated this too ofto through out his life. I hope our president will have the integrity to keep Senator Romney’s family out of it.

Right or wrong, I believe him when he said he said this decision was based on his faith and what he perceived as gross misconduct.

[ 02-06-2020, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: handycat ]

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 02-05-2020, 10:23 PM:

MM … you said that in a month you would be surprised if people were talking about Impeachment let alone in November. In the Witness thread Norm said it would cost the Dems in the next election but you said you wouldn't bet the farm on it because 75% of Americans wanted to hear from witnesses. If 75% want to hear from the witnesses (which I don't agree with your statement … which is neither here nor there) then why won't the American people remember it in a month as well as next November ??? In one instance you say voters won't be discussing it in a month but in another you say you wouldn't bet the farm on the GOP winning lots of seats because of what happened in the Impeachment process … I think it has to be one or the other … can't be both. Just MHO

MEL

[ 02-05-2020, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: MEL ]

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-06-2020, 09:18 AM:

Me:

quote:
I'll be shocked if the impeachment is conversation a month from now, let alone in November.

What I mean is: By November the impeachment will be a long forgotten footnote filed away under the "yeah, but" category. Because soon (I predict) there will be another crisis, then another, then another, then........don't know what but I know it's coming, you know it's coming...hell, we all know it's coming.

Could be North Korea who, according to Air Force Gen. John Hyten, vice-chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, is "building new missiles, new capabilities, new weapons as fast as anybody on the planet,"

Could be Iran....man, I tell ya, this is a ticking time bomb.

Could be Trump shamefully abandons another ally

Could be THE WALL and immigration. This is Trump's hole card so he probably won't play it until later...nothing fires up the base like them Mexicans.

Could be...could be...don't know what just yet, but it's coming and we all know it.

hc:

quote:
I hope our president will have the integrity to keep Senator Romney’s family out of it.

I know you're sincere hc, but you are hoping for a miracle, my friend.

PS:

Never mind...I forgot what I was going to say.

[ 02-06-2020, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: MountainMafia ]

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 02-06-2020, 11:13 AM:

My memory is slipping. Just what ally did the president abandon?

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-06-2020, 11:19 AM:

The Kurds.

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 02-06-2020, 11:38 AM:

Okay, I told you I was forgetful. It had slipped my mind that we are the world's policemen.

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-06-2020, 11:55 AM:

That was bad wrong what Trump did, Norm...you know it.

Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 02-06-2020, 12:22 PM:

It really isn't that simple, MM. There are at least five different tribes that can be called "Kurds". They speak different languages, have different religions, and really don't even like one another. To speak of "the Kurds" as one entity is as silly as speaking of "Europe" as if they are one people.

ONE of those tribes of Kurds have established a great relationship with the United States, created a viable state in Northern Iraq, and remain a staunch and valued ally in the region. When the Turks invaded northern Syria, the Kurds that were there were the same tribe that supports the "PKK", a group that mainly lives in Turkey and has been waging a low-level guerilla/terrorism campaign against the Turks for decades. We have NO relationship with that group of Kurds, so we could not in any way "abandon" them.

Of course, the democrats (who should have had access to this knowledge) chose to express faux outrage to score political points.

To reiterate, the US did NOT abandon the Kurds who are our allies. We did not offer to defend another group of Kurds whom we have no relationship with. So, given that, do you think we should have defended them?

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 02-06-2020, 12:31 PM:

Thank you Tip !!!

MEL

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 02-06-2020, 12:52 PM:

More things the dems spew that others don't follow up on and check things out and take it for the holy grail !!!

MEL

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 02-06-2020, 01:56 PM:

The "honest to God" truth of the matter is, nearly ALL democrats have a visceral HATE for President Donald J Trump and it is simply because he defeated their "Queen Hillary", fair and square. And yes, that include 3 of my own children; the three that went to Murray State and graduated brainwashed.

Posted by MEL (Member # 141) on 02-06-2020, 02:07 PM:

Norm … that is happening all over the US at colleges and universities !!! Being led down paths without thinking for themselves !!! Brain washed is the exact definition of what is going on all over college and university campuses !!! I am so happy my two daughters graduated before a lot of this started … and had preparation for what they were going to be taught and to think it through not just follow it !!!

The Dems hate Trump so much that if he said the sky was blue and the earth was round they would move heaven and earth to try and prove him wrong !!!

Look up what he did to President Obama and his trying to get free vacations for the next 17 years paid for by you and I !!! Trump really is taking care of our economy and the money we send to Washington.

MEL

Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 02-06-2020, 03:26 PM:

The toxic political atmosphere in this country in not only ending friendships, some of them life long, but literally tearing families apart. I have experienced all of the above. It seems none of us will even listen to political opinions other than our own. God forbid should we let someone influence our “set in stone” political ideas of the way things should be.

Norm, I have an educated daughter and grandson that is a graduate student at UK that now identifies as Democratic Socialists. Like to guess who they are backing in this Democratic primary?

IMO, there is no one on the political horizon that has a snowballs chance in hell of bringing this country together.

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 02-06-2020, 04:05 PM:

I don't even have to guess. He identified himself as such.

Posted by CatFanInYankeeville (Member # 2025) on 02-06-2020, 06:36 PM:

MM, I just gotta say man, I respect the heck out of you. I totally disagree with 90% of your political views, but you come here and get arguments from everyone while sticking to your guns. Good for you buddy.

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-06-2020, 06:40 PM:

Tiptree:

quote:
To reiterate, the US did NOT abandon the Kurds who are our allies.

What about the SDF in the territory of Rojava?

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-06-2020, 06:59 PM:

CFIY:

quote:
MM, I just gotta say man, I respect the heck out of you. I totally disagree with 90% of your political views, but you come here and get arguments from everyone while sticking to your guns. Good for you buddy.

Thanks CFIY....marriage counseling helped my attitude a lot. [Smile]

Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 02-06-2020, 07:41 PM:

MM, I am not sure what your question means, but that area of Syria is exactly what I am talking about. The Kurds in and around Roja are influenced by, if not ruled by, the PKK; the PKK is the political/military/terrorist group known as the "Kurdistan Workers Party". It is this group of Kurds that have been at war with Turkey for decades.

They are NOT the same Kurds that have been our allies and whom we still support in Northern Iraq.

Just as a Greek and a Dane can both claim to be "European" does not mean that they are really from the same background. The PKK is a toxic group based in Turkey, We owe them no allegiance.

Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 02-06-2020, 08:24 PM:

quote:
Just as a Greek and a Dane can both claim to be "European" does not mean that they are really from the same background.

M&M, to put this in language you can understand “rednecks can live in states other than Kentucky”. However all Kentuckians are rednecks.

Hope this helps.

[ 02-06-2020, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: handycat ]

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-07-2020, 06:52 AM:

hc:

quote:
M&M, to put this in language you can understand “rednecks can live in states other than Kentucky”. However all Kentuckians are rednecks.

Hope this helps.

Got it!.... chain migration...you're the best splainer on this board, hc.

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-07-2020, 08:06 AM:

Tiptree:

quote:
MM, I am not sure what your question means,

I'm referring to the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) that allied with us against ISIS. After the sudden American pullback, these guys fled to Damascus and joined Assad and the Russians to avoid being slaughtered by Turkish forces.

Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 02-07-2020, 11:47 AM:

Yes, I know they shared a common enemy with us -- they Syrian government and their Russian and Iranian allies. But that was not an "alliance", it was merely "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Let me ask you a pointed question. What would you be here harping about if we DID stay and defend our supposed allies in the SDF, and then got into a shooting war with Turkey, Russia, and/or Iran? I think I know the answer, but I sure would love to hear it from you.

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-07-2020, 02:19 PM:

Tiptree:

quote:
Yes, I know they shared a common enemy with us -- they Syrian government and their Russian and Iranian allies. But that was not an "alliance", it was merely "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

You make it sound like all the SDF did was unfriend ISIS on Facebook.

We helped create the SDF, we trained them, we supplied them, we fought with them, we bled with them and we died with them.

They were literally our 'boots on the ground'...literally.

They lost 11,000 fighters, we lost 6...could've been a lot different.

quote:
Let me ask you a pointed question. What would you be here harping about if we DID stay and defend our supposed allies in the SDF, and then got into a shooting war with Turkey, Russia, and/or Iran? I think I know the answer, but I sure would love to hear it from you.

To begin with I wouldn't be "harping" about anything that everybody else wasn't "harping" about.

How would I feel about us fighting for our friends? I'd feel good about it...you?

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-08-2020, 12:02 PM:

Sorry, Tip. I'm starting to argue now rather than discuss....I probably need a break.

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Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 02-08-2020, 02:21 PM:

Tip good job ur points are right on...Amazing what happens when someone who has his facts straight gets into the conversation...Debating stops!

Posted by MountainMafia (Member # 2066) on 02-08-2020, 03:12 PM:

Ed.

quote:
Amazing what happens when someone who has his facts straight gets into the conversation...Debating stops!

I could have a bunnnnch of fun with that...but I won't....have a good day sir.

Posted by WildcatFanatic (Member # 2932) on 02-08-2020, 05:05 PM:

This is an interesting Youtube video on the subject: Pat Roberston Calls on President Trump to Help Create an Independent Kurdistan

[ 02-08-2020, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: WildcatFanatic ]

Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 02-08-2020, 07:07 PM:

WildcatFanatic, thanks for posting. Food for thought.

[ 02-08-2020, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: handycat ]

Posted by WildcatFanatic (Member # 2932) on 02-09-2020, 09:53 PM:

You are welcome Handycat.