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Posted by ukman (Member # 3032) on 01-24-2015, 02:53 PM:

It is a great season, and our defense is awesome. However, the offense is not very good. I haven't thought so for a while now. I know there will be people that say I am crazy, or just negative. We are averaging about 16 assists per game, which is very good, but our offensive sets are not good. There is a lot of standing, mindless passing out top at times, and then dribble and try to beat your man one on one. If we were to ever get more motion in our offense, more screens away from the ball, we would be near impossible to guard imo. I guess I am just a huge fan of passing and moving, and I do not enjoy our offense as much as I would like. Enough downside though. We have a great team, unbelievable talent, and I love the way they have bought into the shared minutes. If our offense does catch up to our defense we will go undefeated.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-24-2015, 03:19 PM:

A lot of improvement to still be had in this team. Especially by our big boys!

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-24-2015, 03:20 PM:

When we push the ball inside our big guys aren't finishing the play inside!

Posted by SCWC (Member # 2464) on 01-24-2015, 03:24 PM:

You give a very good assessment UKMan. If our offense ever catches up with our defense, we could truly be an outstanding team. We are an outstanding team already with many areas of the game in which we need to improve on before tournament time. If they can get their offense in sync with their defense, they truly can be a very special team for us.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-24-2015, 03:34 PM:

Rebounding and free throw shooting could stand improvement

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-24-2015, 03:35 PM:

Jones asking, "Is it possible the Towns comes back and Booker goes?"

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-24-2015, 03:36 PM:

Booker is more ready than KAT "if" they keep playing like they are now.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-24-2015, 03:38 PM:

ukman, you bring up very good points and hard to disagree anything you say.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-24-2015, 03:41 PM:

It seems like we are depending on our talent and defense and not on the basics of good basketball on the offensive side of the ball.

[ 01-24-2015, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: catmandoo ]

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-24-2015, 03:57 PM:

Putting ourselves continually out of position by going for the block rather than going for the rebound!

Posted by ukman (Member # 3032) on 01-24-2015, 04:04 PM:

And I am not killing Cal here, but I have never thought our offense has looked that great since he has been here. There has never been much motion to the offense, or screening away from the ball to get guys open. He obviously is a great coach when you look at everything, but I would say his weakness is offensive execution. And this does not mean I want him to go anywhere, I am very happy, just would love to see great movement on offense. I enjoy watching great passing, screening, and movement.

Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 01-24-2015, 04:16 PM:

ukman,

Cal's 'preferred' offense, the so-called Dribble Drive Motion Offense, really doesn't utilize screens. In its purest form, it is a 4-out, 1-in set where the motion is more like a collapsing weave -- one player drives, draws a defender or two, and either shoots, dishes to the big on the weak-side block, or passes to another perimeter player (either a shooter or a second driver). If it is to a second driver, the process is repeated (which is why I call it a "collapsing weave").

I would say you would rarely see a classic motion offense, with screens on and off the ball. I think we came close to that with the 2010 team, and the 2012 championship team featured some of these standard sets, but most of the time he runs either the DDMO, a classic post-up inside-out set, or the high-post screen. Last year he ran a lot of pick-and-roll sets (as well as in 2010).

Any of those will work, if executed well. It just seems that he spends more time and effort on developing the defense first. Later in the season, he brings the offense along. I think that is the right order to do things, so I look forward to a better offense in March. [Smile]

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-24-2015, 04:31 PM:

And when your team only gets 3 offensive rebounds for the game, it's hard for your offense to look good when we count on second chance points being our greatest offensive play!

Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 01-24-2015, 04:35 PM:

I found myself wondering if we were ever going to build a lead until about 8 minutes to go in the game. It seems we are playing into the hands of these lowly rated teams on offense. They all want to slow it down and we are more than happy to oblige them. We can't seem to sustain any speed to our game and like has been said already, just stand around dribbling and passing it around the outside. Then Andrew drives it, or tries to drive it and either gets trapped with the ball and no where to go with it. Karl and Trey look less like they are ready to leave now than they did 10 games ago. Unless Johnson has a wide open shot he gets it blocked almost every time. Right now the only way I see any of these three guys leaving is strictly on potential. They are not improving to the point where they are showing they are ready to compete in the NBA. Maybe they can by the end of the year.

[ 01-24-2015, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: Bama Cat ]

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-24-2015, 04:42 PM:

I'd say we are shooting 15-20 shots less per game than Coach would prefer we did!

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-24-2015, 04:43 PM:

We only took 39 shots today!

Posted by ukman (Member # 3032) on 01-24-2015, 05:15 PM:

Tiptree, I do understand the dribble drive and Cals preference for that, but we don't even run that very well or very often. There just seems to be a lot of standing around. I just want more movement and less standing and watching. Hopefully they will start to work on the offense a little more while keeping up the good D.

Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 01-24-2015, 06:16 PM:

I agree with you, UKman. When the twins are in there, it seems we get less motion (unless either Aaron takes it strong to the hole or Andrew tries the same thing and gets lost without an outlet [Frown]

).

But when Ulis is in, we get a lot more penetration and subsequent motion on offense. The team chemistry seems to be better. Booker finds an open spot on the arc, our bigs get loose on the baseline... it all seems to work smoother with Ulis in and initiating the offense.

IMO, The twins should both be playing the wings as long as Ulis can play.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-24-2015, 08:24 PM:

Ulis gets 6 of the 10 assists we made for the game. He is the player that is making the biggest effort to get the ball to the right person at the right time. He did all this in only 20 minutes of playing time where Andrew got got 2 assists in 27 minutes of play.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-24-2015, 09:13 PM:

UK MAN U ARE SPOT ON, OUR HALF COURT OFFENSE, IS NOT GOOD AND THAT IS ON CAL, CAL IS NOT A GREAT X AND O GUY, HE DEPENDS ON THE DRIBBLE DRIVE, THAT IS A OFFENSE, THAT U PLAY ON THE DIRT COURT, THE 1 FOUR OFFENSE AS IT IS CALLED BACK IN THE DAY,ITS AS WE DONT HAVE ANY SET PLAYS, I DONT SEE THEM, I WATCHED WEST VIRGINA GAME TODAY, NOW BOB HUGGINS SAY WHAT U MAY ABOUT HIM CAN DRAW UP SOME PLAYS.JMO MARK FEW RUNS A VERY GOOD OFFENSE, ALOT OF SCREENING AND ROLLING, MOTION ALL THE TIME NO STANDING AROUND, RUPP USED TO RUM WHAT I CALL THE 5 MAN WEAVE, ITS REALLY SCREENING AND ROLLING, TOO, A VERY GOOD OFFENSE. SCREEENING AND ROLLING TO THE BASKET, CONSTANT MOVEMENT SOMEONE WILL GET OPEN.

[ 01-24-2015, 10:14 PM: Message edited by: Green-Bean ]

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 01-24-2015, 10:41 PM:

He is not even running the dribble drive right now!!(in fact hasnt run it much since arriving at UK)
He is running more of a motion offense which is screening and spacing and the pick and roll and the pick and pop.

Seriously 19-0 and never have I heard so many complaints about the coach and his coaching skills (or lack of them). Sorta sad to say the least.

A debate on what type of offense he is running etc is great but to say he doesn't know x's and o's is dumbfounding to me!

Are you saying 19-0 is based on talent alone and not coaching?

[ 01-24-2015, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: ukcatfannfl ]

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-24-2015, 11:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ukcatfannfl:
He is not even running the dribble drive right now!!(in fact hasnt run it much since arriving at UK)
He is running more of a motion offense which is screening and spacing and the pick and roll and the pick and pop.

Seriously 19-0 and never have I heard so many complaints about the coach and his coaching skills (or lack of them). Sorta sad to say the least.

A debate on what type of offense he is running etc is great but to say he doesn't know x's and o's is dumbfounding to me!

Are you saying 19-0 is based on talent alone and not coaching?

YEA THATS PRETTY MUCH WHAT IM SAYING, I DONT SEE MANY X AND O PLAYS AT ALL I SEEN 3 TODAY ON OUT OF BOUNDS PLAYS BY MARTIN, HEY NOT SAYING CAL IS NOT A GREAT X AND O COACH IS NOT ALL THAT BAD, I GUESS, HEY HE HAS 9 MICKEY D'S ALOT TO WORK WITH, YEAH I KNOW U ARE A COACH I USED TO BE, NEVER HAD THIS MUCH TALENT THOUGH BUT I WAS AT HIGH SCHOOL, AND JUNIOR HIGH LEVEL. I JUST DONT SEE ANY SET PLAYS. EVERYONE SEES DIFFERENT.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-25-2015, 12:13 AM:

I'm not going to pick this team apart right now. From the managers right up to the head coach himself. they are working towards greatness right now! 19-0 the 3rd best start in UK history. We've beaten some pretty solid teams on our way to this point too! We need to just hang on and enjoy the ride!

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-25-2015, 12:19 AM:

ukman, you were right, plenty of D today but still got to score more.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-25-2015, 12:20 AM:

19-0 has a good sound to it.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-25-2015, 12:35 AM:

21 games to a perfect season. Still a lot of games left!

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-25-2015, 12:36 AM:

Don't confuse what I said up above to say I think we can win it all and go undefeated. I'm just very hopeful at this point!

Posted by ukman (Member # 3032) on 01-25-2015, 07:38 AM:

I am not bashing Cal, just wishing we would move more on offense. If we want a championship our offense is going to have to move. Again, I am thrilled with 19-0, but I am also looking at the whole picture. Defense is some of the best ever seen, I am just wanting the offense to be excellent, not best ever, just excellent. And it should be with all of this talent. I am sure it will improve as we go, like it did last year.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-25-2015, 08:15 AM:

UKMAN SOME KNOW WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU ARE A VERY ASTUTE POSTER ON BASKETBALL, I KNOW WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT. BUT A COACH HAS TO HAVE OFFENSIVE SCHEMES TO HAVE A GOOD OFFENSE, THEY MAKE BOOKS WITH PLAYS IN THEM. [Wink]

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-25-2015, 09:55 AM:

We all have different opinions and their isn't a poster on here that doesn't want the best for the Cats. It's "very" important to remember that we do have the right to disagree with "any" post but not the right to attack the poster. We have great mods which is what makes TCD so special and why we have so "very" few problems.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 01-25-2015, 11:04 AM:

green bean don't understand what you are talking about when you talk about "offensive schemes". What I described above are exactly that. All college ball these days are screening, picking and spacing. The days of offense as seen on "Hoosiers" are over. The teams are too skilled and movement against either a man to man or zone are keys to beating either.

On a zone against us I will say we could do a better job of playing more in/out than we do and perhaps overload one side with one big high and one big more toward the short corner.

Just my take on what I see - could be wrong on all of it however...

Posted by rupps runt65 (Member # 1286) on 01-25-2015, 11:10 AM:

I agree with all said on here and I believe th that Booker is our best player...

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-25-2015, 11:18 AM:

I knew Booker was going to be pretty good but got to admit he far exceeds his abilities than what I thought. We can see by the numbers how good he can play on the offensive side of the ball but his defense has been surprising too. I know this is selfish but sure would like for him to stay so we could see that sweet stroke for another year.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 01-25-2015, 11:53 AM:

GB FYI there are schemes that can be run against a man to man such as a "flex" which is two guard front with 2 wings and 1 big on the block. The 1guard brings ball up one side and as he is doing that the opposite wing will rotate to ball side receiving a screen from the block big. If the ball side wing can get the ball to the post he does so if not then post will rotate and screen for the guard who will then pick and roll. If nothing there then ball is rotated to weak side and opposite wing comes thru to ball side block. If a team has some patience it will work.

There are also set stuff such as (we call it Ky) where guard brings ball up to one side and then reverses it to other guard and he cuts thru opposite side replacing wing who has rotated up to the guard area as the original guard cuts thru to ball side. And if nothing there then keep doing it. Works great at the H.S. level and is similar to the dribble drive.

Anyway H.s. doesnt have the athletes that college does so easier to run "set" stuff.

Even OOB plays are difficult to run at the college level due to how good they are. At the H.S. level we have them for zone and man to man and generally effective.

Coach Cal is only interested in getting the ball in and with his bigs generally it is never a problem.

GB you are a great poster and know more about basketball than I do - what I post are my opinions and I'm sure most posters know can describe the same thing.

I just like the debate on different x and o's and hopefully get a conversation going on that aspect of the game..

(everything I post is strictly IMO only)

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-25-2015, 12:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ukcatfannfl:
GB FYI there are schemes that can be run against a man to man such as a "flex" which is two guard front with 2 wings and 1 big on the block. The 1guard brings ball up one side and as he is doing that the opposite wing will rotate to ball side receiving a screen from the block big. If the ball side wing can get the ball to the post he does so if not then post will rotate and screen for the guard who will then pick and roll. If nothing there then ball is rotated to weak side and opposite wing comes thru to ball side block. If a team has some patience it will work.

There are also set stuff such as (we call it Ky) where guard brings ball up to one side and then reverses it to other guard and he cuts thru opposite side replacing wing who has rotated up to the guard area as the original guard cuts thru to ball side. And if nothing there then keep doing it. Works great at the H.S. level and is similar to the dribble drive.

Anyway H.s. doesnt have the athletes that college does so easier to run "set" stuff.

Even OOB plays are difficult to run at the college level due to how good they are. At the H.S. level we have them for zone and man to man and generally effective.

Coach Cal is only interested in getting the ball in and with his bigs generally it is never a problem.

GB you are a great poster and know more about basketball than I do - what I post are my opinions and I'm sure most posters know can describe the same thing.

I just like the debate on different x and o's and hopefully get a conversation going on that aspect of the game..

(everything I post is strictly IMO only)

ITS NOT A MATTER OF WHO KNOWS WHAT, OR THE MOST I KNOW NOTHING, BUT I DO KNOW WHAT A FLEX IS AND TANDOM OFFENSES, ETC, U ARE A COACH BUT NOT ALL ARE GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU, YES TEAMS RUN SET PLAYS, GONZAGA DOES, YES ALOT OF IT IS PICK AND ROLL, AND MOTION, AND WHAT RUPP USED TO CALL THE WEAVE WELL IVE SEEN AND DONE EVERYTHING U ARE SAYING, BUT SEE IMO U NEED TO TELL CAL THIS CAUSE HE DONT DO ANY OF IT. MOST TEAMS THESE DAYS RUN TOO MANY ISSOS. I PREFER THE GOOD OL PICK AND ROLL, AND THE OL FASHION BACK CUT. WELL ITS JUST MY OPINION ANYWAY, AND THAT WONT GET U NOTHING.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-25-2015, 01:04 PM:

OH BY THE WAY UKCATFANINFL, I REALLY RESPECT YOUR KNOWLEDGE, AND APPRECIATE UR BASKETBALL KNOWLEDGE. U ARE A GREAT POSTER SO I GUESS WE WILL JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE, ON CALS COACHING, IM GLAD WE HAVE CAL, AND HOPE HE STAYS AROUND A LONG TIME, WE JUST ALL SEE THE GAME DIFFERENT I GUESS. REALLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, BASKETBALL IS A SIMPLE GAME, AND EXECUTION OF THE FUNDEMENTALS OF THE GAME WINS MOST OF THE TIME. ITS A GAME I LOVE DEARLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT SAYS KENTUCKY ACROSS THE FRONT, THATS ONE THANG NO ONE LOVES BETTER THAN ME, IS KENTUCKY BASKETBALL. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THATS WHAT WE ALL LOVE HERE ON THIS GREAT BOARD. I REST MY CASE!!

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 01-25-2015, 02:19 PM:

GB said "WE ALL LOVE HERE ON THIS GREAT BOARD. I REST MY CASE!!"

ty gb great ending quote! [Smile]

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-25-2015, 03:12 PM:

I constantly question some of our movements too, but since we're still winning I usually just continue to keep my tongue. we're still currently scoring more points than our opponents and that equals W's!

Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 01-25-2015, 03:25 PM:

These guys were the man on their high school team and if you watch clips of the top high school kids I don't see much in the way of plays. Most of them just give them the ball and they take it to the hoop or shoot it, or in a few cases when they don't have any avenue to shoot they may pass it. On the UK team you see a lot of the same thing especially from the Harrisons. They go until they are stopped and then look for a team mate. But that is the DDO. I agree that we should stay in motion instead of standing around and passing the ball around the outside. But that is what seems to come up every year and that is playing the opponents type of game, halfcourt slow down. We just don't play well in that type of offense. We have to keep our pace up to play well. Another way to put it is we are playing to the level of our opponent. If they are alower level opponent we slow it down and score fewer points and the game is closer. When we play a good team the pace is usually fast and we play well and score a lot more.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-25-2015, 03:39 PM:

Offensive schemes are generally set up to keep players form just standing around. Our guys do seem to move. Our big guys are continually moving to try to get the open pass into the lower block. The assists stat tells me that our players are continuing to look for one another for a BETTER open shot!

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-25-2015, 06:52 PM:

It's pretty obvious we score better in transition than in the half court set!

Posted by rupps runt65 (Member # 1286) on 01-25-2015, 07:14 PM:

When we play that slow down pass it around until theres 10 sec left on the 35 sec clock does not work at all. These guy's need to run, run,run!!! Turn them horses loose baby!!!

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-25-2015, 09:24 PM:

Like thoroughbreds, they have to run!

Posted by WHO?UK (Member # 2286) on 01-26-2015, 06:39 AM:

Oh you silly old timers. Just because Cal is not running the Wheel, the Flex or having guys screen off the ball does not mean he is not good at Xs and Os. IMO he is one of the best in this ERA. Its the AAU ERA and like it or not the game today is about isolation. Cal is the greatest manager of talent I have ever seen. He knows who they need to attack and how. Thats how our offense is ran. Spread the ball out and pick 1 or 2 or 3 of the 9 Burger Boys and go at the other teams weakest link.

Also our offense is not ran on the offensive end of the floor. Our Offense is created by our Defense and Rebounding. Shoot and Fetch. Attack the other teams weak player and send our team that is only shorter than 1 NBA team (Portland Trail Blazers) to the glass and go get it. Thats why Cal wants us to shoot more because we can suffocate teams on defense and being relentless on the glass.

Screening off the ball or running sets in this ERA is ran by less athletic and less talented teams. Its the Run and Gun Isolation ERA. Screening takes time and takes athletes out of the game. Athletes need to get up and down. Ball players need to get up and down. This is also why Wiltjer is killing it for Gonzaga but he was riding the pine for us. He just couldn't keep up! Facts are Facts old timers. When was the last time you stepped on the court? I sure when you did you said... "what happened to the game? Y'all boys just keep running up and down? Up and Down! Lets run a play..." Not in this ERA. Jimmy Chipwood is not going to get caught watching the paint dry when Cal runs the Picket Fence at them.

PS... I know I called y'all old couple of times and it was just in good fun. I love all you old timers that bleed blue! Go Big Blue!

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-26-2015, 07:56 AM:

TROUBLE IS WE ARE NOT RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE COURT, HAVE SOME OF U CHECKED THE SCORES LATELY, FROM OUR GAMES. I WOULD HARDLY CALL THAT RUNNING. MAYBE WHERE IM OLD I DONT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. IN RUNNING AND WALKING. [Smile]

Posted by WHO?UK (Member # 2286) on 01-26-2015, 08:00 AM:

Green bean you are right. And thats why I think we are not putting up numbers. Our run outs are limited. The big reason why Cal wants to push the pace is because even when it is sloppy, our guys are still going to come out on top. Our depth and athletic ability will run teams out of the gym. Thats why teams are slowing the pace down when they play us. We just got to get out and run on teams.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-26-2015, 08:00 AM:

Basketball has changed just like everything else and with todays athletes who are bigger, stronger, and yes more athletic you have to change your sets to give these players the best chance to use their abilities.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-26-2015, 08:05 AM:

Cals recruiting is to convince his recruits that he can get them the best chance to the NBA and that is what he does and his record proves it.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-26-2015, 08:12 AM:

The athletes Cal recruits are the best of the best and are more athletic than most others and need the opportunity to show their skills. We may disagree with his style of play at times but we all have to remember he is trying his best to use his players to the best of their God given talents.

[ 01-26-2015, 09:00 AM: Message edited by: catmandoo ]

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-26-2015, 09:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by WHO?UK:
Green bean you are right. And thats why I think we are not putting up numbers. Our run outs are limited. The big reason why Cal wants to push the pace is because even when it is sloppy, our guys are still going to come out on top. Our depth and athletic ability will run teams out of the gym. Thats why teams are slowing the pace down when they play us. We just got to get out and run on teams.

WHO?UK WITH THE ATHLETES WE HAVE AND THE GUARDS WE HAVE, WE CAN MAKE THESE TEAMS RUN, AND PLAY OUR STYLE. NOW THATS JMO.

Posted by WHO?UK (Member # 2286) on 01-26-2015, 12:07 PM:

GB I also agree with that and that is my only frustration with this team on offense. I want the game to be sloppy and look like a pick up game because for 40 minutes no team can run with us. Not even close. Teams may be able to sustain it for a half but not 40 minutes.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-26-2015, 12:46 PM:

YEA WHO WHEN WE GET UP ON THEM BY 8 OR 10 POINTS AND WE WILL THEN THEY HAVE TO PLAY OUR GAME.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 01-26-2015, 01:33 PM:

Teams can only beat us by slowing the game up and by playing a lot of zone. That is why Coach likes to grind them out now to get ready for March as we will face the better teams using slow down tactics.

No team in the nation can run with us! period!!

Posted by WHO?UK (Member # 2286) on 01-26-2015, 02:41 PM:

Fact

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-26-2015, 03:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by WHO?UK:
Fact

I agree. and then run some more.

Posted by ukman (Member # 3032) on 01-26-2015, 04:22 PM:

Well, I am not an old timer (42), but I am on my way. You can still play a fast pace style of ball using screens and movement. THere is movement in the dribble drive when you run it right, the way CAl drew it up at his coaching clinic. I don't think we play a fast style. They do push, but if it is not there, then we settle into pass around the perimeter,stand on the perimeter, someone drive and shoot. The posts do work for position, but I hate when we let the clock get to 10 seconds and then just do the pick up top while everyone stands. I would love if we did run more, and I would love to see us press more. And I mean press, not just occassionally see if we can get a trap, I mean run an actual press and force tempo and steals. I am all for our defense being our first offense, that is what I teach, but if you have to set up you need to be able to execute and move to get some better shots. We are 19-0 and I love it, I just hope our defense can continue to carry us, and that our opffense is ready to explode come tournament time. Maybe there will be an offensive "tweak" at tournament time.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-26-2015, 06:00 PM:

We have so much depth it's the perfect team to run and the more the better. The more ball pressure we put on teams the more steals we get and the more steals the more we can run.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 01-26-2015, 10:24 PM:

Respect the head coach - he doesn't like the full court all in your face defense. Not his style period!

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-26-2015, 11:37 PM:

ITS NOT A MATTER OF RESPECT, ITS A MATTER OF DISAGREEING, WITH PULLING THE BALL OUT WAY TOO EARLY, STEP ON THE PEDAL, IF YOU GONNA RECRUIT ALL THESE GREAT PLAYERS LET EM GET OUT AND PLAY BASKETBALL. IM NOT A FAN OF WALKING THE BALL UP THE COURT. CAL IS, BUT THAT DONT MEAN I DONT RESPECT HIM, I DIAGREE WITH HIS STYLE. BUT THATS JUST ME.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-27-2015, 12:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ukman:
Well, I am not an old timer (42), but I am on my way. You can still play a fast pace style of ball using screens and movement. THere is movement in the dribble drive when you run it right, the way CAl drew it up at his coaching clinic. I don't think we play a fast style. They do push, but if it is not there, then we settle into pass around the perimeter,stand on the perimeter, someone drive and shoot. The posts do work for position, but I hate when we let the clock get to 10 seconds and then just do the pick up top while everyone stands. I would love if we did run more, and I would love to see us press more. And I mean press, not just occassionally see if we can get a trap, I mean run an actual press and force tempo and steals. I am all for our defense being our first offense, that is what I teach, but if you have to set up you need to be able to execute and move to get some better shots. We are 19-0 and I love it, I just hope our defense can continue to carry us, and that our opffense is ready to explode come tournament time. Maybe there will be an offensive "tweak" at tournament time.

UKMAN U ARE NOT A OLD TIMER, BUT YOU ARE A VERY SMART MAN WHEN IT COMES TO BASKETBALL, YOU AND I AGREE 100 PERCENT ON HOW TO PLAY THE GAME, YOU ARE ALOT SMARTER THAN ME ON IT, BUT I LOVE HOW U BREAK IT DOWN, AND WE THINK ALIKE ON THIS, VERY GOOD POSTER, YOU ARE.

Posted by WHO?UK (Member # 2286) on 01-27-2015, 02:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ukcatfannfl:
Respect the head coach - he doesn't like the full court all in your face defense. Not his style period!

I agree. Coach has never and will never run a "run and jump press". Honestly the only coach that I know of that runs a run and jump consistenantly is Ricky. Coach doesn't even like running zone in the half court. It's man to man! I'm better than you, NBA style. To get these kids ready. To show new recruits that UK is the best place to go to if you are trying to go to the league. When he does press it's just to speed the game up, not necessarily for a trap. No other UK coach has ever had a better start to their time at UK than Cal. His way works and I'll sit back and enjoy tripe wins.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-27-2015, 06:49 AM:

Donovan runs that type of defense too. He learned from the master!

Posted by SCWC (Member # 2464) on 01-27-2015, 06:56 AM:

You don't find too many full court pressing teams winning the national championship if that is their primary defense. Championships are won by grinding it out in the half court and basketball is a very simple game which basically breaks down to two on two much of the time. Too many people try to complicate a game that is not all that complicated. Pitino would have won a national championship in 97 had he been wise enough to play Arizona a half court game rather than press and let Bibby and Simeon break the press which led to Arizona shooting lay ups all night. We had far superior talent to Arizona and should have won that game easily but our coach failing to make adjustments to his defense cost us dearly.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-27-2015, 08:06 AM:

WE WOULD HAVE WON TOO IN 97 IF PITINO HAD PLAYED ANDERSON JUST IN THE OVERTIME, DOCTORS CLEARED HIM, BUT PITINO DID NOT WANT VEGAS, BOYS ON HIS ARSE, AFTER SAYING ANDERSON WOULD NOT PLAY, THE NBA PLAYS ONE ON ONE BASKETBALL, BUT THEY DO PUSH THE BALL ALOT, A HALF COURT TRAPPING PRESS WORKS PRETTY WELL, ALOT. IOWA STATE IS A VERY GOOD TEAM, THEY PLAY UP TEMPO SOMEWHAT.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-27-2015, 09:05 AM:

The thing is, Anderson went full bore in Friday's practice before the weekend of the NCAA Final Four!

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-27-2015, 09:09 AM:

You have to play the style that fits your players abilities the best. Cal recruits size and the most talented players in the country. This years team is so talented and diverse they could play most any style Cal wants them to. He has got them playing great defense but it looks like they still are trying find their identity on offense. The good thing is they are undefeated and still can get a lot better on the offensive side of the ball. When they get to playing on offense like they are on defense this team could be scary good and rank up there with the very best teams of all times. They really are that talented.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 01-27-2015, 09:45 AM:

"I DIAGREE WITH HIS STYLE. BUT THATS JUST ME."

Hard for me to disagree with anything he does as his style and record speak for themselves! [Wink]

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-27-2015, 09:56 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ukcatfannfl:
"I DIAGREE WITH HIS STYLE. BUT THATS JUST ME."

Hard for me to disagree with anything he does as his style and record speak for themselves!

WELL WE FINALLY AGREE.

Posted by WHO?UK (Member # 2286) on 01-27-2015, 01:53 PM:

I love that we just had a discussion of over 50 post about our team that is 19-0! We all need to stop this is hilarious! Go BIg Blue! I love how passionate we are as a fan base! But will we ever be satisfied? Hahahah

Posted by SCWC (Member # 2464) on 01-27-2015, 03:09 PM:

WHO UK, I think everyone is totally satisfied with this team. This is just an opinion forum for fans of the Cats and there are some very intelligent, knowledgable fans here who really know the game and have various opinions on the style of basketball teams play, offensively and defensively. I have not seen anyone criticize this team.

Posted by WHO?UK (Member # 2286) on 01-27-2015, 03:20 PM:

I've been on this forum since 2004!!!! I know what this place is about. Hahahaha but I still find it funny that WE myself included find the time to discuss where our offense is lacking. At the end of the day we are 19-0 and Coach Cal is killing it. That's why we pay him 7.5 million.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-27-2015, 08:15 PM:

Your team can never be so good that there isn't room for improvement!

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-27-2015, 09:14 PM:

Rebounding and free throw shooting are the first tow things that come to mind that this team could improve on!

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-27-2015, 09:49 PM:

I bet Cal would tell you we have to improve on every facet of the game

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-27-2015, 10:01 PM:

I can't disagree with him, "THE BEST NEVER REST!"

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-27-2015, 10:17 PM:

You got that right,no rest for the wicked. [Wink]

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-27-2015, 10:28 PM:

IF WE WERE NOT MONDAY MORNING QB'S THERE WOULD BE NO BOARD. EVERYBODY LIKES A GOOD CIVIL DISCUSSION.JUST WAIT TILL WE WE LOSE A GAME, AND WATCH THE CAT HAIR GET PICKED OFF, LOL.U CANT REST ON YOUR LAURELS, U GOT TO KEEP STRIVING FOR PERFECTION AND WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO YET. 19 AND 0 IS JUST A NUMBER, WE GOT TO KEEP TRYING TO GET BETTER, WE WILL NEVER BE PERFECT, AND NO ONE EXPECTS US TO BE PERFECT, YEA WE TALK IT BUT WE KNOW BETTER.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-28-2015, 06:25 AM:

It hasn't been done in so long that this generation hasn't even seen it!

Posted by WHO?UK (Member # 2286) on 01-28-2015, 02:35 PM:

Could not agree more with the above. Go Big Blue!

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-28-2015, 08:04 PM:

We sure have a chance to go undefeated and even if we don't we still are going to have a great season.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-28-2015, 08:28 PM:

I believe we're already having a great season!

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 01-28-2015, 10:26 PM:

You nailed it MH and I believe that too.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-29-2015, 02:07 AM:

IT WILL ONLY BE A GREAT SEASON TO ME IF WE WIN IT ALL. I DONT GO FOR MORAL VICTORIES, ALL OR NOTHING FOR ME.

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 01-29-2015, 06:17 AM:

They've all been victories so far, GB!

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-29-2015, 06:58 AM:

HAMILTON U SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING ME? IM SAYING IF WE DONT WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP, WHATS THE REASON TO WIN ANY? THAT IS MY POINT AND MY OPINION, AND THANX FOR REMINDING ME WE HAVE WON THEM ALL, I MUST HAVE FAILED TO REALIZE THAT.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-29-2015, 07:39 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Green-Bean:
HAMILTON U SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING ME? IM SAYING IF WE DONT WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP, WHATS THE REASON TO WIN ANY? THAT IS MY POINT AND MY OPINION, AND THANX FOR REMINDING ME WE HAVE WON THEM ALL, I MUST HAVE FAILED TO REALIZE THAT.

WELL IF YOU ARE NOT THE LEAD CAT, OR DOG, THEN U KNOW WHAT U ARE LOOKING AT.

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 01-29-2015, 11:30 AM:

No need to be abrasive about it. I've known Hamilton for about 15 years, and I know that was not intended as a put down.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-29-2015, 12:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Old Norm:
No need to be abrasive about it. I've known Hamilton for about 15 years, and I know that was not intended as a put down.

YOU ARE RIGHT NORM, AND I DID NOT MEAN TO COME ACROSS THAT WAY, I APOLOGIZE. REALLY I MEANT IT IN JEST.

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 01-29-2015, 01:32 PM:

Not a problem. Hamilton has a thick skin. Just doing my administrator job. That's why this board is so clean and enjoyable. You're a good person, Bean.

Posted by SCWC (Member # 2464) on 01-29-2015, 02:50 PM:

I think I know exactly what Bean is saying and I feel the same way. We truly are enjoying this season and have extremely high expectations for this team. For them to be remembered as a great team by UK standards, they need to win the National Championship. We all remember the Wall/Cousins team, very enjoyable to watch but we all remember the Davis/Gilchrist team much better because they brought home number 8. This is truly a fun team to watch, 19 and 0 is special but if they don't win it all like the 2010 team, they will go down in history as just another very good UK team. All Cat fans enjoy winning but as many of us say, we are waiting for number 9 and the team that brings it home for us will go down in UK annuls as another truly great team. The 2010 team started out 19 and 0 if memory serves me correctly and I know I loved watching that team play every game except the West Virginia one when they missed 28 of 32 three point shots. Teams that win it all leave no empty feeling in the hearts of Cat fans, teams that we expect to win but fall short are remembered but not as fondly as the ones who won the last game of the season.

Posted by rupps runt65 (Member # 1286) on 01-29-2015, 04:39 PM:

Well said, with the exception of the Unforgettables!!!

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-29-2015, 04:49 PM:

well said I will just enjoy the journey, and hope the destination turns out better than the journey, because so far it has been a great journey. I DEARLY LOVE THE WILDCATS, IVE BEEN OFF THE BOARD A LITTLE WHILE HAD TO GO OVER TO KROGER AND PICK UP SOME FOOD AND TAKE IT TO OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY ACTION CENTER. LOTS OF PEOPLE WAS DEPENDING ON IT, AND WAITING FOR IT, AND THEY COULDNT GET NO ONE TO DO IT, SO THEY CALLED ME, AND I TOLD EM DONT WORRY OLD GREEN BEAN IS ON THE WAY TO GET THEM FOLKS SOME FOOD. I REALLY FEEL BAD ABOUT SAYING SOMETHING THAT OFFENDED SOMEONE ON THE BOARD, ITS NOT MY NATURE. SORRY HAMILTON!!

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 01-29-2015, 05:26 PM:

Last year, in the 40 days before Easter, our Knights of Columbus council donated over 2500 pounds of food to two local food banks. Our council only has 40 some-odd members, so I'm right proud of that accomplishment. I'll have to say, I did my share!

Posted by SCWC (Member # 2464) on 01-29-2015, 05:26 PM:

Green Bean, you truly are a good man to make the sacrifice you made on the behalf of other people. That speaks volumes for they type of person you are and we all are very fortunate to have you and your kind heart and basketball knowledge participating in our discussions here on the forum. I think I have read enough of your posts now to know that you would never try to offend anyone when it comes to our beloved Cats. Don't ever change, you are what we would say back in the mountains "Good people".

And you are right Runts, the unforgettables will always carry a special place in the hearts and minds of cat fans, thanks for reminding me of that.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-29-2015, 05:34 PM:

THANKS SCWC, SHUCKS WASNT MUCH FOR ME TO DO, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS MY DUTY, TO DO IT, WE ALL SOMEDAY MAY NEED A LITTLE HELP. DOWN HOME I USED TO HOE CORN ALL DAY LONG FROM SUN UP, TO SUN DOWN FOR 50 CENTS, SO I COULD GO TO OUT DOOR DRIVE IN, COST A QUARTER TO GET IN AND A DIME FOR A POP AND A DIME FOR A CANDY BAR, I WOULD KEEP MY NICKEL AND LET IT CARRY OVER, TILL NEXT SATURDAY. BASKETBALL, AND KY BASKETBALL IN PARTICULAR, HAS ALWAYS BEEN A WAY OF LIFE FOR ME, AND I WILL DIE A WILDCAT.

Posted by Green-Bean (Member # 13551) on 01-29-2015, 05:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Old Norm:
Last year, in the 40 days before Easter, our Knights of Columbus council donated over 2500 pounds of food to two local food banks. Our council only has 40 some-odd members, so I'm right proud of that accomplishment. I'll have to say, I did my share!

NORM MADE U FEEL REAL GOOD TO DO A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR THE UNFORTUNATE. THAT WAS REALLY NICE OF YOU.