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Posted by Bluecat (Member # 516) on 09-07-2010, 09:05 PM:

As noted many times over the last few months, our enemies will stoop at nothing to sling mud at Kentucky and cause to setback our program.

This time, Pete Thamel, (Eric Bledsoe fame), actually flew to Turkey in hopes of digging up dirt on the Enes Kanter recruitment by Cal and Kentucky. As of this writing Kanter's eligibility to play for Kentucky hangs in the balance, he may never play for Kentucky thanks to our enemies efforts to derail us.

Rest assured of one thing; Had Kanter stayed committed to Washington or chose to attend any other NCAA school other then Kentucky/Calipari, you would NEVER had heard one peepabout it!
Thoughts?

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 09-07-2010, 09:36 PM:

The "heartless" and seedy reporters will stoop to any level to bring down our Coach. I think it is more Coach than Ky but could be wrong. But one thing is clear the combination of Coach and Ky means that the other schools have to get what we dont want and they dont like it one bit. EVERYONE was happy when TUBBY was here as he was not a threat! (love him but true statement). I can't imagine a newspaper would print the worthless Blescoe story and then send someone to Turkey to get some dirt!. IMO The Turkish league has a vested interest in Kanter not being allowed to play - meaning future big time players won't even attempt to and for that matter - be allowed to - once the NCAA declares him ineligble.

I hope that this is a bogus report with unreliable sources and a very very low life reported who will do anything to get his name out there as the one "who brought KY and Coach to their knees!

I'm not scwc or wildcat but my views anyhoo! [Smile]

Posted by SCWC (Member # 2464) on 09-08-2010, 08:30 AM:

Very well put Ed and I totally agree with your opinions on this subject. The NCAA have been after Coach Cal for years and his coming to Kentucky and having such quick success makes him an even bigger target for them. I fear we will never see Kanter play a game for UK, with all the newspapers digging in on this and the NCAA obviously not wanting him to play for us will more than likely keep it from happening. I am not about to throw in the towel on Kanter until the decision is final by the NCAA Lord and Masters in Indianapolis. He could be the one player that makes us a top 5 caliber team this season.

[ 09-08-2010, 08:31 AM: Message edited by: SCWC ]

Posted by Bluecat (Member # 516) on 09-08-2010, 10:12 AM:

And thats why he probably will nwever play for us SCWC.
The "Et Al" in my topic means anyone can reply to this.

Matt Jones this morning on WKJK said exactly what I wrote last night, that had Kanter remained at Washington it would have been "no story", its only when Kentucky/Cal are involved that make it newsworthy. Mike DeCourcey on with Matt said that the story now going "public" hurts UK's chances about clearing Kanter. The way Thamel bantered about the "$100,000" payment to Kanter from the Turkish club, was baited to draw down negative opinions on the case.

<y opinion now is it will almost be impossible for Kanter to ever play for us. Jones added that
the NCAA dosen't want Kanter to play at Kentucky
in his opinion.

bottom line?...dosen't look promising for Big Blue. Our enemies are rejoicing today, take that to the bank.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 09-08-2010, 02:46 PM:

Bluecat - I know what et al means - just my bad attempt at humor! [Smile]

Posted by Trey Ball (Member # 332) on 09-08-2010, 02:54 PM:

Kanter would have had the same issue even if he would have attended Austin Peay. International players who have participated in the Euro Leagues always have to be cleared. The kid from West Virginia las year had to sit out 12 to 16 games if I recall correctly. Valpo has always had to deal with these issues as well as they recruit a ton of foreign players. The NCAA has always treated Eastern Euro players as ineligible and the burden is on the player and the school to prove they are eligible.

I do agree that it is being picked up by more of the media and is more of a focus because he is a projected lottery pick and because he is enrolled at UK, but it is nothing new that hasn't happened prior regarding foreign players.

I said it when he was signed and I will say it again, he will never play college basketball, but he will still be a lottery pick next year. I'm not even saying he was paid, but I also don't think he will be able to prove that he wasn't. In the end the best thing for UK may be that he is ruled ineligible. I would hate to see him play, then find out later that he was paid and UK get stripped of wins and lands up on probation again. I don't want to see that happen. If he can prove for sure that he didn't receive compensation than he would be a great addition to the team and could help UK possibly make the Sweet 16 (I don't see UK going past that with or without Enes).

[ 09-08-2010, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: Trey Ball ]

Posted by Wildcat Bill (Member # 615) on 09-08-2010, 03:03 PM:

Bluecat, SCWC and ukcatfannfl, I was sort of expecting something like this. I said in another thread weeks ago that I was afraid that Enes would never be able to play for us, either by NCAA ruling or our fear of a retroactive one. That is a real shame, for us, for Enes, and for college basketball. Now I think that the motives of both the New York Times and this reporter as well as the Turkish pro team are highly suspect. The reporter and paper are out for any notoriety that they can get and the Turkish team wants either Kanter to play for them or compensation from a pro team if he doesn't. Sadly, the NCAA makes you prove yourself innocent to any and all allegations, however unsavory and unreliable the accusers may be.

If, however, UK through it's attorney's or investigators, could unearth any knowing or deliberate falsehood in this story, a libel suit against the Times would be in order. Clearly, this reporter has, if his charges prove to be false, slandered Enes Kanter and Eric Bledsoe as well, and by inference, the University of Kentucky. The NCAA might operate apart from the law, but the Times and it's reporters do not. If, however, what they have reported proves to be true then the published truth, no matter how harmful it may be, is not libel.

I agree completely that if he had gone ahead and signed with Washington, none of this would have happened, unless the Turks just kept it up. But, with Washington, the NCAA would have cleared Kanter and the Turks would have just been out of luck. It's a sad day for us and a sad commentary on how out of control things are with the media/NCAA axis and their continuing vendetta against a resurgent UK under Calipari.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 09-08-2010, 05:10 PM:

Posted in the other thread but approprate here
also I think

That’s what Gary Parrish seems to think, as outlined in this brief writeup on the situation. Here’s an excerpt:

…All of which suggests John Calipari must’ve realized there was a real chance he could enroll Kanter but never actually coach him once the NCAA weighed in.

But you know what else Calipari probably realized?

That it was a gamble worth taking.

Remember, any questions about Kanter’s amateur status aren’t questions that have anything to do with Kentucky. It all centers on what happened before Kentucky was involved with Kanter, as everything that affected Renardo Sidney’s status at Mississippi State last year centered on what happened before Mississippi State was involved with Sidney. So this isn’t a case where the Wildcats opened themselves up to various issues. Either they would enroll Kanter and get him cleared or enroll Kanter and not get him cleared. There never was any real downside. And to those claiming it now looks silly given where this seems to be headed, I’d remind you that you still don’t know where this is headed, and that Kanter ultimately could be dealt a punishment that delays his college debut rather than ends his college career, in which case the big picture remains intact.