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Bama Cat
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posted 04-12-2023 09:53 PM
Looks like only 4 more wildcats have to announce their decision and 1 of them is almost a definite stay, Ware. Frederick, Collins and thiero have yet to decide. I think some of the NBAcommits will ultimately return to UK.
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Tiptree
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posted 04-13-2023 03:02 PM
So, as I understand it, here are the players and their situation:
Livingston: Gone
Wallace: Gone
Thsiebwe: Testing the waters
Reeves: NBA bound, not sure if he is hiring an agent or not
Onyenso: Returning
Ware: No word yet
Thiero: No word yet
Collins: No word yet.
CJ: No word yet
Is that correct?
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posted 04-13-2023 06:32 PM
It doesn't matter who stays or who comes in. As long as we run the same offense we'll be the equivalent of a mid major. Cal has wasted more talent than any other coach in basketball the last seven years. I hate to be negative but I can't get excited about a team whom I believe will underachieve IMO next year.
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posted 04-13-2023 06:42 PM
I'm with you rlt. When I saw Onyensu coming back I was thrilled, and started to think we could be great next season. Then I remember it really doesn't matter as long as Cal keeps doing the same things. Until he changes we will constantly under achieve. That's why I am not all that excited about the recruits. Saw we somewhere we had the best odds to win the championship next year and I just laughed.
Just hope sometime we have the talent that can win again despite his coaching.
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Bama Cat
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posted 04-13-2023 10:57 PM
Maybe if all the stars next season decide to do their own thing on the court and not what he says. He can't pull all the stars out, he would look like a fool to all of BBN. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted 04-14-2023 12:18 PM
Too bad the powers that be are not as smart, or know as much about basketball, as we do!
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posted 04-14-2023 01:10 PM
Norm yea, what do they know compared to us Domain members.😀😀😀
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Bama Cat
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posted 04-14-2023 03:55 PM
Yea! At least we're trying to think of something different that could work, instead of just plowing ahead with the same o same o that just doesn't seem to be working. Records don't lie! ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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posted 04-14-2023 10:23 PM
yep 1-4 in the sec tourny the last few yrs. Made Sat one time. 1 ncaa win in the last 4 yrs.
Arguably the best 1 or 2 best talent classes during the past 12 years and 1 title and nothing for the past 6-7 years.
Has to be the coaching!
Hell I could win one with my h s experience coaching and his talent,,
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posted 04-15-2023 08:24 AM
Not sure why the opinion that the coach is not good is met sometimes with sarcasm toward the people that feel that way. But that's fine, thats their opinion. IMO it's pretty obvious that the coach does not get the most out of the talent he has had, that his offense is outdated, that he often fails to make needed adjustments, and has often looked lost on the sideline in tight crucial games. That is the opinion of alot of basketball people out there.
I'd be interested to hear what people think he does that is worth the money he gets paid. Other than recruiting, and even that's a little debate-able.
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posted 04-15-2023 09:23 AM
Fans who are still willing to give Cal the benefit of the doubt are met with sarcasm as well.
I played many decades ago at a very low level and was not particularly good. I also coached many years ago at an even a lower level. I love college basketball and honestly believe there are few who watch more college games than I.
That’s my credentials. Not very impressive. I suspect people who have played the game and coached all their lives probably know more than me.
The one thing that bugs the hell out of me is the negativity of some regarding Cal and his players. If I was that negative, I would quit following them and find another team.
That doesn’t mean I don’t respect the opinions of others on here that disagree regardless of their experience. There are some pretty good basketball minds on here, I’m just not one of them.
I had to edit this to clarify that I don’t think of Cal as some kind of basketball god. There’s plenty of room for improvement in coaching methods and decisions. At times, he frustrates me to no end.
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posted 04-15-2023 09:39 AM
Handy says "The one thing that bugs the hell out of me is the negativity of some regarding Cal and his players. If I was that negative, I would quit following them and find another team."
I have always "only" pulled for Ky in all sports. I was born in Ky and listening to the radio in the early 50's and strung antennas on the roofs of my houses in the middle east to "maybe" catch a score of the wildcats on "AFRTS" at 4 AM and went to work a cpl of hours later.
Having said that I have the born in Ky "right" to be critical of a coach that thinks more of his players getting to the NBA that what the university accomplishes.
Coach Cal made a lot of promises when he arrived and has not folowed them to completion.
Tubby is just behind him in % of games won and he not too far ahead of billy.
No I have the right to be critical and concerned over the state of OUR program and I will post my concerns here .
If the mods want to ban me - I guess that is ok as I am almost 80 and have a serious health problem anyway..
p.s. I will never quit pulling for my team and quitting the team is not in my dna
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posted 04-15-2023 09:47 AM
We have seen Cal long enough that we see his weaknesses. Some of them are glaring. But two things make Cal more of a lightening rod for fan criticism than other coaches:
(1) He really, truly thinks his duty is to get as many players into the NBA as possible, despite the fact that his employer is UK, his paycheck comes from the UKAA, and his fans do not, in general, give a flying F about the NBA. That puts him squarely at odds with his market, which is a very strange thing to do.
(2) He is surprisingly inflexible. Other coaches had their personal favorite systems -- "fun and gun" with Pitino, ball-line defense with Tubby, the 1-3-1 with Hall -- but they also adapted their offense or their defense to their players. Cal insists that his players adapt to his system, despite arguably having some of the best players in the country, year-in and year-out. And, surprisingly, I can't even really figure out his system. It just seems odd and out-of-joint with the system(s) his NBA-bound players will be using at their next stop. Why on earth doesn't he connect the dots, and if he wants to be a pipeline to the NBA, then play like the NBA?
My own opinion is that Cal is probably in the top 20 college coaches, but much nearer to 20 than to 1. A top-20 coach, given the talent he has, should definitely have done more than he has done. But he doesnt' seem to care. Instead, he keeps harping on how many players he has sent to the league.
Now, in theory, sending so many players to the league should indicate an amazing record. And his record isn't terrible, it just underwhelms when compared to who he has had to work with. It used to be that when a UK team sent a player or two to the NBA, it was a GREAT team, with an outstanding record. Not so any more. The difference is that in the past, those players devoted their focus and talent to winning for UK first, and later leveraged that success and exposure to an NBA career. Now, they just give us a glimpse, and are gone. Their focus is 100% on getting to the league, and UK is a convenient place to showcase their skills just enough to get on the draft board.
Cal's unabashed and unapologetic focus on funneling kids to the NBA just undermines what was carefully built for 70+ years.
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posted 04-15-2023 11:48 AM
I am originally a Buckeye and I grew up on Ohio ST football and basketball, with a little of Dayton BB thrown in. Once I joined the Air Force and my first assignment was at a small radar site near Paris, KY I started seeing a lot of UK BB and it wasn't long till I was a fan. I didn't really become hooked on UK FB until I started working the FB games about 10 years ago.
So now that I've been following the BB for so long, no matter where I was at, like MS, LA, NV and various small holes in nowhere land around the country and Thailand, Korea, Guam, England and Germany, I am a diehard fan all the way from 1965 till now. Like so many others, it pains me to see the higher number of stars on Cal's teams versus Ropp, Hall, Pitino, and Tubby teams, I get to feeling what a waste of talent. I know the game has evolved a lot since Rupp, but anyone with a liitle BB knowledge surely can see we have went down a notch or two during Cal's tenure. There is no doubt in my mind he has passed the pinnacle of his career and it's only a matter of time until someone in authority wakes up and sees his only asset now is sending his 5 star players to the NBA. Sorry if this hits anyone where it hurts but those are the facts as I see 'em.
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