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PaulCat
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posted 01-29-2017 09:47 AM
So now we have two quality wins (UNC and USC) and one bad loss (Tennessee). With very little chance for quality wins the rest of this schedule, it wouldn't surprise me to see us end up with a 3 or 4 seed come tournament time. If we can go the rest of the schedule with only one loss we can probably get a 2 seed. Any more losses the rest of the way will just kill our seed.
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blue hoot
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posted 01-29-2017 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by PaulCat:
So now we have two quality wins (UNC and USC) and one bad loss (Tennessee). With very little chance for quality wins the rest of this schedule, it wouldn't surprise me to see us end up with a 3 or 4 seed come tournament time. If we can go the rest of the schedule with only one loss we can probably get a 2 seed. Any more losses the rest of the way will just kill our seed.
Agree, Not to keep crying about it but we should've easily beat Kansas last night. Kansas didn't look that great imo and playing them in our house primetime with a full strength roster, there's no excuse.
Having UCLA and Kansas playing in our house was a tremendous opportunity to increase our seeding and we failed. Not sure how successful we can be with an almost all freshmen lineup with limited experience beating teams with veterans.
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posted 01-29-2017 01:28 PM
Good Kentucky basketball teams do not normally lose two home games within a season under Coach Cal. In my opinion, this team is about on par with last year's team and we all know how that season ended, guards do not win national championships, solid front lines do and we are a guard oriented team with a less than stellar front line. I feel we will be in the same boat again this year. This team have no rim protector, play little to no defense and are very inconsistent offensively from both the three point and free throw lines. Put all that together and it is easy to see why they would lose to Tennessee Tuesday night and again at home to Kansas last night.
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blue hoot
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posted 01-29-2017 02:09 PM
You would think Cal would play Wynyard and Humphries more with their size. They must be god awful in practice.
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posted 01-29-2017 02:15 PM
If the tournament started tomorrow, my guess is we would be a two seed. We're the best 4 lose team in the nation.😊
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PaulCat
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posted 01-29-2017 06:13 PM
I think if you look at our resume, we're barely a three seed.
I'm no coach, but why wouldn't Cal play another big man (Humphries, Jones or Wynyard) at the same time with Bam in the lineup. Wouldn't two low-post players kind of keep the defense from sagging on one or the other? I remember when the term "twin towers" used to be a good thing. With Willis and Wenyen doing nothing but shooting three's every game, we basically play a four-guard lineup.
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posted 01-29-2017 06:49 PM
We do pretty well with Bam (or Humphries), Willis, and Wenyen. That is a tall front line, and one with good rebounding and offensive capabilities.
I like limiting our guards to Fox (backed by Dom), and Monk (situationally backed by Briscoe or Mulder, depending on the matchup/type of defense being played). When Fox and Monk are "on", we are going to win, period. When Fox and/or Monk are struggling, we have more than adequate backups.
Fox, Monk, Willis, Wenyan, and Bam has been a very effective lineup that I would love to see more of!
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PaulCat
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posted 01-30-2017 07:40 AM
But Willis and Wenyen are basically guards. All they do is shoot three-pointers. We need another big body under the basket opposite Bam. Otherwise teams will continue to double Bam and he'll continue making bad decisions. I can't believe in four years this coaching staff has not taught Willis how to post up with his back to the basket. Cal had been content in letting him be nothing more than a bench player who comes in and shoots outside shots.
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posted 01-30-2017 07:49 AM
Offensively, you are right. Gabriel and Willis are best suited to play the 'stretch 4'. But Gabriel is a rebounding machine, and I suspect that could translate into a decent inside game, if given the green light. And Willis has more athleticism than most give him credit for, and when he wants to, he can get to the rim.
But having a traditional, back-to-the-basket '5' is not required for winning basketball. IMHO, Bam really is a '4' as well, and unsuited to the '5' spot. Humphries is our only true center on the squad.
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posted 01-30-2017 08:31 AM
I bet if Cal put Humphries and Bam in at the same time, Bam would have so much more opportunity for easy baskets. I think Humphries would also do well as he does have some skill in the post. Cal's only team to win a title had two very good post players (Davis and Jones) along with Gilchrist. Jones and Davis both shot 50% or higher during their year together. I'm sure that both of them playing together is a big reason why they were so effective.
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posted 01-30-2017 08:41 AM
This is a Jeckyl and Hyde team. They have regressed and not improved this past month. I am not wringing my hands over it, because the raw talent is there.
I do think it starts with defense. They have to find their groove on D, or they will get bounced early in the tourney.
This team could go to the final four and win it all or get bounced early, depending on which version of the team shows up. The Hyde team has taken over, for now.
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posted 02-01-2017 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by PaulCat:
I'm no coach, but why wouldn't Cal play another big man (Humphries, Jones or Wynyard) at the same time with Bam in the lineup. Wouldn't two low-post players kind of keep the defense from sagging on one or the other? I remember when the term "twin towers" used to be a good thing.
Well, I got my wish last night. Humphries started with Bam. I was pumped!! Then, on our first possession, Bam and Humphries both post up at each end of the free throw line. What the heck???? I was so disappointed. Why in the heck do our big men continue to play outside the paint on both offense and defense? I am so confused.
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posted 02-01-2017 05:34 PM
Vegas has us as the #1 seed. 11/2 odds to take it all.
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posted 02-01-2017 06:05 PM
Look for that to change. By March we should be a little lower.
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posted 02-01-2017 08:59 PM
Agree BamaCat we will be lucky to be a 4 or a 5 seed by March. Unless the Cats really turn this around fast.
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posted 02-01-2017 09:11 PM
I would bet the farm that we will be no worse than a two seed. Lots of teams in the top ten with multiple loses and with a lot tougher remaining schedule. Of course it's possible that we fall completely apart but barring injury I think we will be fine.
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posted 02-01-2017 09:35 PM
If we get to selection Sunday with only one or two more losses, we can get a #2 two seed. Our remaining away games are Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Missouri and A&M. Counting the SEC tourney, we will definitely need some major improvement and consistency if we plan on finishing with only two more losses.
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posted 02-02-2017 09:41 AM
Paul, Your right it isn't going to be easy but Cal has a way of getting his teams ready for tournament play.
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Bama Cat
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posted 02-02-2017 12:00 PM
Right now I wouldn't rate Bam any better than Dakari except for his ability to dunk the ball.
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posted 02-02-2017 03:05 PM
I totally agree. I was actually thinking to myself just the other day that I'd rather have Dakari over Bam. Dakari actually had some low-post skill and he can't even get out of the d-league.
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Bama Cat
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posted 02-02-2017 05:30 PM
Right where bam will end up if he leaves.
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posted 02-02-2017 07:59 PM
Dakari is playing for Oklahoma Blue and is averaging 17.9 points and 8 rebounds a game.
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posted 02-03-2017 12:08 PM
Exactly. We can't say whether he left too soon or not is the reason he is still in the D league. We don't know whether if he stayed for 3 or 4 years whether he would have ever made it in the NBA. You make a decision and you take your chances. Orton, Dakari and maybe the Harrisons are good examples. Just because you play with Cal and UK doesn't guarantee you a spot in the NBA. Not all UK recruits are 1 and dones no matter how much they want to be. I think some recent directions of some of our kids proves that to be true. Sometimes the BBN make better guesses than the NBA team scouts.
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