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catmandoo
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posted 07-18-2008 06:05 AM
I would bet coach G tunes down his boot camp way of conditioning. It will be tough but with all the injuries he had last year he can't take that same approach..What do you think?
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Jarcat
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posted 07-18-2008 07:06 AM
I don't really think Billy G's conditioning techniques had anthing to do with the inordinate number of injuries the team suffered last year. I believe it was a combination of lack of conditioning from the previous year and more likely just a strange flukey coincidence. But then again, who really knows?
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posted 07-18-2008 08:09 AM
I personally don't think he will. It is his way or the highway. Most coaches IMHO, don't let the players dictate the way a coach runs the team, nor should they. Coming down the stretch, the better conditioned team will win the ballgame if the game is close. IF you are conditioned, you stay focused on other fundamentals of the ballgame and your not worried about where your next breath comes from. I dont think he should change anything. If he does change anything it is the hard practices before the game. Do the run through, just don't get your boys worn out before the game gets started.
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posted 07-18-2008 10:14 AM
I don't think he will change a thing. He's been doing this since his days as an assistant coach for Ill. under Bill Self and has continued on through out his head coaching experience. Should he change? I for one have mixed feelings about it.
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posted 07-18-2008 10:39 AM
Maybe that is why he has only signed two McDonald's All Americans in his six years as a head coach, one of those being PP who may or may not have decided on UK prior to his arrival, the other Deandre Jordan, both were freshmen last season. These high profile kids of today know what conditioning is needed to be successful at their sport and they probably will not sign up for a program that runs a military style boot camp. I sure hope they do though if Coach G decides to keep that conditioning program going.
I recall Patrick Patterson stating his feet were bleeding during that boot camp last season and I did not consider that good publicity for our program.
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Bluecat
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posted 07-18-2008 10:41 AM
BCG will be the same as always. In the past his camp hasn't caused anything unusual to anyone. he will do the same things he always has done.
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posted 07-18-2008 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Bluecat:
In the past his camp hasn't caused anything unusual to anyone.
Bleeding feet are not unusual? (See previous post)
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ukcatfannfl
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posted 07-18-2008 12:39 PM
Does anyone really know what kind/style/type of practices Coach runs? Seems to me the word "boot" camp has caused a lot of threads etc.
Maybe it is just hard work that he requires?
Even at my high school level - our players run and play HARD during practice because you play how you practice!! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted 07-18-2008 01:24 PM
First a couple of quick responses:
1) Bleeding feet is not all that unusual. In HS practice (more than 50 years ago) I regularly had blistering after the first couple of days and bleeding after blisters popped. Applied "tough skin" -- surely they have something better today -- bandaged and continued. Or, outside of athletics, ask anyone who's double-timed a couple of miles in combat boots.
2) The main reason Coach has only signed two McD A-A's is that he hasn't had the opportunity. They very rarely sign at schools such as UTEP and T A&M; additionally he wasn't at either of those schools long enough to establish needed relationships. True at UK as well.
As to the question of: will he change pre-season practices? Coach is on record as saying, regarding recruiting, that fans and followers know less than 10% of the reality. My guess is that is true for what happens in pre-season practices as well. As usually happens in our 24/7 communications world, the term "boot camp" became a catch phrase with an undetermined definition but definitely militaristic and brutal in perception. Are Coach's practices more demanding than say Self, Huggins, Howland, or Rupp for that matter? Who knows unless they've experienced them? Players such as Acie Law and Joe Jones say they were and that they considered not showing up, quitting, but that was their impression as participants. My conjecture is that, yes, the practices are more intense and demanding. Another conjecture is that all things considered last year's Cats were better off for it and that their ability to play in the clutch and respond to adversity was directly attributed to the attitudes developed in practice. Will Coach change the demanding nature of practice in response a one-time experience of injuries? I sure as hell hope not.
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posted 07-18-2008 01:55 PM
If Tubby hadn't recruited such soft skinned recruits, they wouldn't bleed at all... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted 07-18-2008 03:41 PM
I think he caught the players off guard(soft) with the intensity of his "camp". I think the players through a tougher self-imposed summer regimen will be better prepared. If that's the case, I applaude Coach for getting that message across.
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posted 07-18-2008 04:19 PM
With all of the bad press Gillispie has received of late about the rough workouts, I am going to bet that it has already been a topic of discussion with Todd and Barnhart. So I will bet that the amount of roughness will be less. However I think he will make up for it with higher endurance sessions. We'll see.
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catmandoo
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posted 07-20-2008 07:56 AM
DDS, that's pretty much my take too, he will still have demanding practices and they will run alot to build up their cardio-vascular systems. I would doubt however if they will have the combat practices where injuries are more common.
I think we will see far less injuries this season which will make a differance in our total number of wins. We will win 20 games plus this year.
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ukcatfannfl
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posted 07-20-2008 08:07 AM
Bruce et al - I too see less injuries this upcoming year but the reason being -- the players that were there last year will know what to expect and are already in great shape and the incoming players will learn from the remaining players how best to prepare.
I don't see coach changing a thing - the players will march to his drum or sit on the sidelines imo!! (which is a good thing IMO)
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DDS
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posted 07-20-2008 08:58 AM
Last year Gillispie stopped the practices before the games after the conference play began. My point being - I don't think Gillispie is ammune to adjusting his coaching methods to meet changing conditions. You guys talk as if he has no flexibility at all, and you might prove be correct, but I don't think we know that yet.
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ukcatfannfl
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posted 07-20-2008 09:20 AM
Just an opinion DDS as yours is!
However his past performance indicates he does it his way!!
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catmandoo
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posted 07-20-2008 08:13 PM
Ed, wouldn't it be boring if we all thought alike..In the summers with no games and little to talk about it's fun to get some contraversial topics and discussions going. I think all in all we want the same things, it's just a different opinion on how we are going to get there at times..
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posted 07-20-2008 09:15 PM
Bruce - I was thinking the same thing - summer is boring without Ky basketball. My H.S. team contines to play this summer and just got back from a Embry Riddle basket ball camp in Daytona. 3 Ky teams there - Henry Clay being one - met the coaches and in fact the head coach Dan Brown is from Paris (ky) my home town. We ended up 4-4 and lost to the eventual chamption (gainesville (fl) High) by 15 after being behind 8-0 out of the gate. G-ville ended up beating Lex Henry Clay (by about 15) for the title this year. About 40 teams there. We also beat one team that beat Henry Clay so I was excited about that. Henry Clay will be very good once they get playing together more and should compete very well in LEx. regards ed
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catmandoo
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posted 07-20-2008 10:31 PM
Ed, wish i would have known as i am about 45 minutes from Daytona and would have driven down to see you as this golf get's boring when you play every day.
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posted 07-21-2008 12:51 AM
Sounds to me like the OTS years have made alot of you guys too "soft"..!! We need toughness
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posted 07-21-2008 02:06 AM
I can't see our coach changing his approach that much this year at leastuntil he gets them up to their first game of the season.
I never saw a football coach I ever had ease up on us just because our feet were bleeding or we were a littel injured.
We ran the cross country course every day after football practice when I was in highschool, up to the first gaem of the season , anyway!
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posted 07-21-2008 03:21 PM
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Coach is on record as saying, regarding recruiting, that fans and followers know less than 10% of the reality.
If that statement is true, and I don't have anyway of knowing whether it is or not, but if it's true, then how was it that so many fans knew so much more than our previous Coach knew at the time he was coaching?
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posted 07-21-2008 04:48 PM
Most likely we didn't. I once put much more credence in the player rankings than I currently do. Although I believe there is much to be gleaned from different services, especially by evaluating the status of the programs pursuing an individual player. I would say, however, that 10 years of Smith's recruiting history at UK gives much data with which to evaluate methods, efforts, philosophy and results, as compared to less than 2 years for Gillispie.
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