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Topic: Cal, “it’s becoming harder to play at Kentucky”.
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handycat
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posted 12-23-2022 08:05 AM
Not defending Cal, but I fear he is correct.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/22/john-calipari-says-it-has-become-harder -to-play-at-kentucky
On a side note, I watched Missouri absolutely destroy what I thought was a pretty good Illinois team last night. That does not bode well for us next week.
On a side, side note. I also watched Western Kentucky lose to South Carolina. Donte Allen was not a factor. He did wave at one guy who drove past him on defense and it looked like a pretty decent “wave”. I looked up his stats for the year, they are unimpressive and that’s taking into consideration his suspension. In spite of fan pressure, he should never have been recruited at UK. At least IMO.
[ 12-23-2022, 08:13 AM: Message edited by: handycat ]
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PaulCat
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posted 12-23-2022 09:18 AM
I don't think there's any more pressure to play at UK today then there was 50 years ago.
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posted 12-23-2022 09:27 AM
No player (except maybe Ky born and bred) "plays" for Ky - coach recruits for the nba and that is what ALL of them play for.
Now with the NLI - money is first before playing after going to college. Our Caywood yrs are long gone.
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EnterpriseCat
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posted 12-23-2022 09:40 AM
There was a time when the players played for the name on the front of the jersey, but that has changed big time. If it is harder (and I don’t think it is) it’s because of Cal’s inept offensive concept. Hard to watch.
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handycat
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posted 12-23-2022 09:53 AM
Ukcatfan, unfortunately you’re right. His stated goal is to get players to the NBA and he has been very successful. Unfortunately that is not the goal we, as fans, want.
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ukman
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posted 12-23-2022 12:38 PM
I don't think the negativity is toward the players at all. At least that I see. It's directed at him and his terrible coaching. I don't like him going on and making it sound like the fans are all over the players. We have supportive fans of the players. I don't think that's the case at all. I like this team and feel they want to play well. I just feel that's going to be more difficult at UK because the coaching is subpar.
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ukman
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posted 12-23-2022 12:46 PM
This is just stupid by him. The fans are patient with this team, it's his idiotic coaching that we're losing patience with, or have lost patience. This makes me angry to see him go on and make it out like the fans are so tough on the players.
"You don’t want it to be so hard that they don’t want to come here."
Give me a break. Yeah, these players have it so tough at school. All the gear, great rooms, travel, free tuition ,NIL deals, etc. I'm not saying it can't ever be tough at times, but don't make it like it's so bad at UK that kids won't want to come. Kids won't want to come if he keeps running his stupid offense and just screams on the sideline. I'm so ready for him to be gone.
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handycat
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posted 12-23-2022 01:34 PM
Sorry Ukman, other sites rip the players continuously and unmercifully. They always have and always will. You better have thick skin if you play at UK.
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ukman
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posted 12-23-2022 01:57 PM
This is the only site that I go on so I guess I am in the dark. That's too bad. I guess I have said how Wheeler can't shoot, etc. Certainly don't think any less of him as a person, and he plays hard, but I guess that could be hard if you look at that stuff and see everyone saying it. At the same time, you are getting alot out of the experience as well.
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handycat
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posted 12-23-2022 03:57 PM
I also am critical of players from time to time. IMO, that’s ok. Some of the posts I see are simply mean on those sites. Some sites have thousands of active posters. You know these kids read them. I criticized Donte Allen, a former player, in this post but the moderates told me it was ok. 😊
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Bama Cat
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posted 12-23-2022 05:15 PM
There's nothing wrong with Wheeler. He had a great year last year and was able to get to the basket more than this year. Why? Because everyone has heard of him now and they cut his drives off more than they did last year. He has two parts to his game. Driving past his defender for an under hand lay up and driving to the paint and getting it out to the outside man who is open. Things are just not as easy as it was last year.
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posted 12-23-2022 09:05 PM
I'll never know how difficult it would be to play at Kentucky, but I can assure you, it has been very difficult to watch them the last 4 or 5 seasons.
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posted 12-23-2022 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by CatfanRick:
I'll never know how difficult it would be to play at Kentucky, but I can assure you, it has been very difficult to watch them the last 4 or 5 seasons.
It's becoming really hard to watch. Because we always play poorly against good teams and we play down to the level of our competition in all other games.
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Bama Cat
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posted 12-23-2022 09:55 PM
I used to just make bad remarks during the second half but I find myself saying them for most of the game. They just can't seem to get on a streak and stay there for 40 minutes. No killer instinct. Their reputations could be better than those who played on the 96 team but they don't play anywhere near them.
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posted 12-24-2022 11:17 AM
Bamacat, this year's team couldn't tote the 96' teams jockstrap. The 1996 team in my opinion is the best team to ever play college basketball.
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Bama Cat
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posted 12-24-2022 03:00 PM
From top to bottom of the roster there is no UK team that could compete with them.
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ukman
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posted 12-24-2022 08:58 PM
I thunk that 2015 team sure could. You would need another coach to coach the 2015 team though against Pitino. If it's Cal, then the 96 team would beat them. If there's another quality game coach I think the 2015 team might win. That sure would be a fun game to watch.
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ukman
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posted 12-24-2022 09:00 PM
I think that 2015 team sure could. You would need another coach to coach the 2015 team though against Pitino. If it's Cal, then the 96 team would beat them. If there's another quality game coach I think the 2015 team might win. That sure would be a fun game to watch.
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posted 12-24-2022 09:32 PM
If I despised the coach as much as some do, I either wouldn't watch it, or would find one that I liked.
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posted 12-25-2022 12:39 AM
The most fun teams to watch are North Carolina, Kansas, Houston, Arkansas and Alabama. Houston is the only one of those five that I could root for.
I still remember the days of the old Phi-Slamma-Jamma at Houston. There were so many good teams back in those days.
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posted 12-25-2022 03:00 PM
PaulCat,
I am not sure that those teams were all that much better, just that they were head-and-shoulders better than their competition. As time has gone on, there has been an ever-increasing pool of great players, so the entire game is elevated over the 70s and 80s teams that I grew up with. Since there are so many players, the overall level of competition is higher, making it harder for one team to stand out. A few programs can draw the very best -- UK, Kansas, Duke, UNC... but many, many others can get their fair share of top talent too.
It isn't harder to play at UK, but it is harder to dominate.
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posted 12-25-2022 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Old Norm:
If I despised the coach as much as some do, I either wouldn't watch it, or would find one that I liked.
I don’t despise Cal, but I do despise his offense and his favoritism towards certain players……..and due to that I have stopped watching the games. I get zero enjoyment from watching UK play now and I never thought I would say that.
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ukman
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posted 12-25-2022 08:58 PM
I definitely don't like the coaching, but I am a UK fan so I still watch and cheer for them. I am not a Cal fan, but I am not going to stop watching a team that I have been watching since I was little just because the coaching is so bad.
I will say he has made it to where I am not near as upset if I miss a game as I used to be. His style is just hard to watch, especially when everyone knows they could be doing much better against top competition.
I do enjoy watching other teams, but I have not chosen to follow another team. I have never been a bandwagon fan
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Bama Cat
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posted 12-25-2022 09:50 PM
I too don't like the 1/2 court offense. It sucks. I also finding myself talking to no one in particular throughout the game, especially if they have a bad start. I guess I'm asking Cal what was your thought on that play. Why don't you take that player out and sit him so far down the bench you can't find him again? Of course I get no satisfaction out of that but at least I'm showing my displeasure with his decisions.
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posted 12-25-2022 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Old Norm:
If I despised the coach as much as some do, I either wouldn't watch it, or would find one that I liked.
I definitely despise what cal has made UK. A team he coaches for the names on the back. I pull for the name on the front KENTUCKY. So I'll continue to watch and cheer even though I am more than likely to be disappointed because I know that if we play a ranked team that we lose more than we win.
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ukman
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posted 12-28-2022 09:25 PM
It became even harder tonight.
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Bama Cat
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posted 12-29-2022 06:28 PM
As I've mentioned before, one man does not make a good team. Oscar proved that last night by having almost a 20/20 game. And we all know that when you are a 3 point shooting team like we are, if you miss your shots you will lose no matter what Oscar does. Very disappointing that we take spells of hitting them and spells of missing them, almost all of them. Are we really a 3 point shooting team or a wannabe. Time will tell. But I'm pretty sure we are not a final four team no matter how good this team is supposed to be.
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