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posted 06-06-2006 08:40 PM      Profile for thecatman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Folks,
The bottom line is that Mitch Barnhardt simply is a AD for non-revenue sports. Certainly, his hires for non revenue sports have been worthwhile. And, kudos for the success of the UK baseball team
However, when it comes to hiring a FB coach he has no glue. Consider, he NEVER returned any phone calls made by both Lovie Smith and John Cooper. Then, he calls Rich Brooks, for a recommendation to hire a coach. Need we say more. The bottom line is that there were some very good coaching candidates for the job. And Barnhardt flat out does not know anything about hiring a football coach.
Non revenue yes- revenue-no. Nuff said.

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posted 06-15-2006 08:18 AM      Profile for wildcat don     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
this is a ridiculous post..why would you put something like this on here? are you a ul fan trying to start something..
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posted 06-15-2006 10:41 AM      Profile for thecatman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well Wildcat Don,
Seems you might have a difficult reading about the truth. No, Im not a UL Fan. Trying to be a little objective here. The truth is that Barnhardt is now well liked by most people who follow UK football. He has rubbed some people the wrong way. Futhermore, back to the original post about the Rich Brooks hiring. The facts are as follows:
1. Barnhardt did a horrible job hiring a football coach. Again, not saying Brooks is a bad football coach at all. But, consider Barnhardt didnt even consider at all both Lovie Smith and John Cooper. Let's compare the coaching candidates shall we. Lovie Smith, was a former UK asst football coach, has enjoyed tremendous success as a asst. and coordinator, and was recently the NFL/s "coach of the year", with the Chicago Bears. Next, John Cooper. Cooper, as a former UK asst coach. He has coach not one but TWO TEAMS to the Rose Bowl. Winning both of those rose bowl games at Ohio State and Arizona. Not to mentioned a winning record as a head coach at Tulsa. One of the great football recruiters in college football. Both coaches were snubbed by Barnhardt, who proclaimed himself as mostly the search committee. Wouldn't even return a simple phone call!!!
Barnhardt does not listen to football people who know football, period. Just rememember the hiring process several years ago. Apparently Norm Chow turned the job down, and then Barnhardt did get a interview to Doug Williams , who is no longer coaching football. Williams was the head coach at Grambling. Not a real football power in the DI level. Then, he goes out and hires Brooks, with absolutely no ties to UK and the SEC. This is not to knock Brooks at all as UK's football coach.
But, the fact that UK and Barnhardt didn't even consider candidates who were a lot better than Rich Brooks. Im sure there were more coaching candidates that could be added to the list as well.
Also, don't get me started on comparing Barnhardt and UL's Tom Jurich as athletic directors. Jurich is so much better as a AD, its not even funny. Not even worth comparing or considering.
The bottom line, UK fans deserve the very best football coach it can hire for its program. Barnhardt, just not the guy to hire the best football coach. Period. UK needs a worthy fb coach in a revenue sport. Thus far, it has not worked out.

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posted 06-15-2006 10:45 AM      Profile for thecatman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Minor correction. John Cooper won Rose Bowl's at Ohio State and Arizona State. State was not typed in. Cooper is a outstanding coach and in the College Football Hall of Fame. And he can't get a simple phone call returned concerning the head coaching opening at the University of Kentucky.
Give me a break.

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posted 06-17-2006 09:27 PM      Profile for RV     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First - the name is Barnhart.

Second - I must have missed the memo as I was certain we already had a football coach. His name is Rich Brooks and he has assembled a staff with over 200 years experience and whose members collectively have won and participated in numerous bowl games and Super Bowls and have National Championship rings.

Are we hiring a new coach?

You have just a few more months to complain - right up until our bowl game. If you plan on attending I would suggest you send a written apology to Barnhart. [Cool]

[ 06-17-2006, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: RV ]

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posted 06-19-2006 04:52 PM      Profile for thecatman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
wow....bowl reservations already.
For a team that trailed Idaho State in the fourth qtr, last year. For a team that gives up big plays and points. For a team that will not put its best DB on the field due to suspension. For a team that has very average at best, quarterback plays.
Whats so great about this coaching staff, anyway???
Sugar Bowl here we come..lol

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posted 06-25-2006 06:02 PM      Profile for RV     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He who laughs last - laughs best. Again I suggest you get in Mitch's good graces lest you be blackballed from our bowl game. Good luck wallowing in your misery.
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posted 06-26-2006 02:42 PM      Profile for thecatman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
LOL,
Nope, Im sure you and Mitch can have a lot of fun studying the two-deeps on the UK volleyball team or some other non-revenue sport.
Again, from that fb coaching hiring fiasco, Mitch obviously doesn't know anything about hiring a football coach.
Bowl game????
Really, for a team, who last year gives up nearly 35 points per game, and no playmaker at QB on offense.

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posted 06-26-2006 03:04 PM      Profile for thecatman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PS...
The Only Bowling Mitch will do will be at Southland Lanes....
Hey, let's add bowling as another non-revenue sport....

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posted 06-26-2006 03:55 PM      Profile for ukcatfannfl   Email ukcatfannfl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's wait and see - don't forget Brooks didn't get much to work with. So this year is his kids and mostly all scholly's available. I believe he will produce and we get in a bowl - perhaps a minor one but for us that is great news.

p.s. he is also a family friend and from that stand point hope he does also!!

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posted 06-27-2006 01:22 PM      Profile for thecatman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good point. Rich Brooks is a decent football coach. He's articulate, and certainly has years of experience in the coaching ranks. My point, is that I think there are better head football coaches out there that could do a much better job than Brooks. That's all. Coach Brooks will probably admit he made a horrible decesion bringing in Ron Hudson to be the OC. I mean it got to the point where it was let Hudson go, to save his own job. To me, UK just has a coach or two who are good football assistants. Joker Phillips, and Petri. The new recruiting coordinator , who coached at UCLA, is a question mark?? He took over Joker's recruiting status, when Joker was promoted to offensive coordinator. Petri has SEC experience. That's about it.
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posted 09-05-2006 03:58 PM      Profile for thecatman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
well,
good old know it all mitch, im sure he loved that spanking louisville put on the wildcats. I mean, UK has better facilities, a better school, better fan base, on and on and on....and they get crushed again on national tv.....nice coaching hire mitch....let´s recap shall we....
first, you dont even give a simple return of phone call two former UK football assistant coaches Lovie Smith and John Cooper.....
then, you try to get Norm chow, who has absolutely no ties to UK, and the surround states for football recruiting, btw, chow might get fired after the Titans dont make the NFL playoffs this year. Then, you go interview Doug Williams...Yeah, that Doug Williams who is no longer coaching football and had a problem or two while at Grambling.
Hey Mitch, do us all a favor and just go study that two deep' depth chart on the volleyball team, and go fetch some sandwiches for UK baseball coach Cohen , who actually can coach.
Oh yeah, how about those big fat contracts you gave out this this great UK football coaching staff......

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posted 09-06-2006 07:49 AM      Profile for eleem   Email eleem   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think they need to hire the catman for the foot-
ball job as well as the athletic director job.
Then we should win them all without ever losing
again. WE'LL DOMINATE

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posted 09-06-2006 08:47 AM      Profile for BlueCollarMan   Email BlueCollarMan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RV:
First - the name is Barnhart.

RV is right. It's Barnhart without the "d". It's easy to remember because our football team has no "d" too.

Fred

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posted 09-06-2006 02:43 PM      Profile for Zakk Wyldcat        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I agree with the first post in the thread. Brooks is a below average coach and his career stats prove it. Non-UK college record of 93-116(44.1%), add in his UK record and it becomes 102-142(41.8%). No other SEC school would even CONSIDER hiring somebody with that record, and that includes Vandy. And, yes, I am aware that UK was on probation when Brooks took over, so spare me the 'nobody else would take the job' rhetoric.

Additionally, it is my opinion that Barnhart and his crew from Oregon St. are in way over their heads at a university that has a 'national' program, i.e. UK basketball. They do not understand the demands that the majority of fans put on maintaining the excellence that has been UK basketball, so you get idiotic Barnhart comments like "the idea that UK can dominate is a quaint concept" & "Tubby is the CEO of UK basketball", as well as a figurative firewall between the UK bball offices and the fanbase. Trying to get any info or comment out of the bball offices is like trying to get the codes for the nuclear football-perfect example is the current secrecy surrounding Shawn Finney and his status.

IMO.

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posted 09-06-2006 03:33 PM      Profile for Tiptree   Email Tiptree   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Trying to get any info or comment out of the bball offices is like trying to get the codes for the nuclear football-perfect example is the current secrecy surrounding Shawn Finney and his status.
And this is different than previous ADs exactly how?

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[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] @ Bluecollarman's comment! so true!

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posted 09-06-2006 04:48 PM      Profile for thecatman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,
I would relish the opportunity to hire the next UK head football coach. The last coaching search was a absolute joke. The names are out there. There are a lot of qualifed college football coaches out there. I just want Barnhart's salary, and lets gets the search going at the end of the season. Now, I would have to rid the desk of the depth charts of the volleyball team, soccer team, riffle, etc......then get right to work gettting QUALIFED head football coach. The Big Problem is Barnhart is arrogant and aliented a lot of the UK fan base!!!! The man does not listen, period!!! Especially those who know football. NOT VOLLEYBALL, SOCCER, RIFLE, GYMNASTICS....ETC...
YOU GET THE PICTURE

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posted 09-07-2006 02:32 PM      Profile for Zakk Wyldcat        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tiptree:
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Trying to get any info or comment out of the bball offices is like trying to get the codes for the nuclear football-perfect example is the current secrecy surrounding Shawn Finney and his status.
And this is different than previous ADs exactly how?
Under what previous administration has some guy been in the official UK team photo and there has been no announcement why he's there? There's your difference.
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There are a lot of qualifed college football coaches out there. I just want Barnhart's salary, and lets gets the search going at the end of the season.
I'm with you Catman, I'll help in the search of a new Football coach. Heck I won't even ask for the salary. It would be a freebee.

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Catman, whether you like it or not, those non-revenue sports mean just as much to the athletic department as football/basketball. I think Rich Brooks sucks just as bad as anybody else--but at least I don't sit there and insult Barnhart for respecting ALL of our athletes and their programs.

See, you only see that those two draw money--that's not what a TRUE "ATHLETIC DIRECTOR" (note it does not say football/basketball director) is supposed to do. Mitch Barnhart is doing what he's supposed to be doing--he is building a solid ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT.

Barnhart, and every other AD in the country, is trying to make his/her school the best in their conference, if not the nation. The SEC has a trophy/championship for the best ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT every year. Since Barnhart took over, we have moved up in that competition every year. Whether you like it or not, the reason that Florida/Georgia/LSU do so well in this competition every year is because of solid OLYMPIC SPORT PROGRAMS.

So please, why don't you stop insulting the men and women who pour their hearts, blood, sweat, and tears into these programs--like my good friend who manages the soccer team; like my friend who is the starting catcher of the baseball team; like two of my friends who play women's volleyball; like one of my friends who plays men's tennis; like two of my friends on the women's gymnastic team; and others--and show them some freaking respect? They get up at 5 or 6 in the morning to practice, go to class, practice some more, etc. My two friends on the volleyball team walk back from the gym each afternoon with ICE BAGS taped to their legs because they can barely walk!!!

On top of that, you're insulting everyone who works with those programs underneath Barnhart--I have two friends in the AD who work on (between the two of them) men's soccer, rifle, women's volleyball, and men's basketball in the Sports Information department. Your posts basically state that their jobs, their work, etc means nothing, because these sports don't matter. News flash--they matter to a lot of people. They matter to the fans who buy season tickets; they matter to the families of the athletes, the fans who come to see them, THE LITTLE KIDS WHO LOOK UP TO THEM. Why not show some respect for these people, who work harder than most of us on here, and they don't get paid a damn thing for it--and probably never will.

BTW, your lines about Mitch and the "two deeps of the women's volleyball team" crap; it's lame, it's not funny, and it's getting really old and repetitive.

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posted 09-08-2006 11:21 AM      Profile for BlueCollarMan   Email BlueCollarMan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jsence2:
On top of that, you're insulting everyone who works with those programs underneath Barnhart--I have two friends in the AD who work on (between the two of them) men's soccer, rifle, women's volleyball, and men's basketball in the Sports Information department.

I don't think that he is insulting them. He is not calling out people who use their blood, sweat and tears. He's calling out the guy who gets the six figure salary and who chooses the guys who get the SEVEN and EIGHT digit contracts!

It's a simple fact that the revenue sports SUPPORT the non-revenue sports as well as other aspects of the university. How many BIG NEW libraries would UK have built had they had a mediocre basketball team in the nineties? How many would they have built if they had had some ALL-SEC titles instead?

Fred

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quote:
Originally posted by BlueCollarMan:
How many BIG NEW libraries would UK have built had they had a mediocre basketball team in the nineties? How many would they have built if they had had some ALL-SEC titles instead?

Fred

You're getting a few things confused here, Fred. The base of the W.T. Young funding came from W.T. Young himself. The rest came from people purchasing bonds to help fun it. The athletic department had nothing to do with the library (only one big one here, mind you; I'm in it right now). Besides, last I checked, BASKETBALL wasn't what we were talking about here. He is insulting Barnhart by saying he's a total moron because of who he hired for football. Did he make a mistake? YES. Is he a moron? NO. Fact is, we're Kentucky--we're not going to get these huge, big-name coaches to come here, when they know they will ALWAYS be second fiddle to the hoop (ask Bear Bryant!).

And he IS insulting the other programs when he makes cracks like "Barnhart is too busy watching the non-revenue sports." He's basically saying they're not worth watching, that they should mean nothing to him.

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posted 09-12-2006 02:56 PM      Profile for thecatman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let me clarify. I NEVER DEGRADED ANY NON-REVENUE UK ATHLETIC PROGRAM. In fact, I praised coach cohen and the UK baseball team. Like the person, who posted earlier stated, its Football and Basketball that carry the other non-revenue sports. Thus, it all starts at the top. Mainly, revenue wise--Football. Then Basketball. The point is there is over 60,000 fans at Commonwealth Stadium, and I would say about 98 percent of the UK fan base would love to see UK have success in football.
With regards to Barnhart, he really wont ever win a popularity contest with the UK fan base. He's arrogant, pompous, and a know it all. He does not listen to anybody who knows more than him!!!!!!!ESPECIALLY ABOUT HIRING (A FB COACH) AND RUNNING A GREAT FOOTBALL PROGRAM. The man is clueless. He won't listen to football people, insiders, etc....who know football, period!!!
Barnhart, has rubbed a lot of big UK boosters the wrong way, and his "act" is getting old.
My point with non-revenue sports, is that is not what drives the UK Athetic budget. The football program plays a huge part in driving that bus.
Sure, EVERYBODY would love to see UK to do well in all sports. Im all for it. But, football is at the top of the list, period.
You can win at Kentucky in football. IT CAN BE DONE.
But not with a clueless AD , who knows nothing about football!!!!
His coaching search was a joke!!!!

A outstanding coaching list has already been posted. UK needs to bring in a AD who knows Football. Not Mitch "I know it all, dont bother me" Barnhart. Let Mitch move over to the non-revenue sports. A much better place for him.

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quote:
Originally posted by thecatman:
Let me clarify. I NEVER DEGRADED ANY NON-REVENUE UK ATHLETIC PROGRAM.

Really? What do you call this:
quote:
Now, I would have to rid the desk of the depth charts of the volleyball team, soccer team, riffle, etc......then get right to work gettting QUALIFED head football coach.
Sounds somewhat "degrading" to me.

[ 09-12-2006, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: Old Norm ]

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Again, Bring in a qualifed AD who knows Football. Not, the non-revenue sports.
Thats football, you know, the sport, that most care about. Yes, Football.

Sure, Mitch is more than qualified in studying those two-deeps on the volleyball team. I agree with you. Yes, sir.

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So what your saying is that Mitch may be a good Athletic Director, just not a very good judge of talent, especially when it comes to replacing a coach in a high profile, revenue generating sport such as football. Is that correct?

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posted 09-12-2006 05:59 PM      Profile for Funky Boss   Author's Homepage   Email Funky Boss   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mitch is a good athletic director. He just made a real assinine choice in Brooks. I'll say it now, even if UK gets 6 wins, and I believe we will (Ole Miss doesn't scare me) I still want Brooks gone. It's that simple.

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With regards to Barnhart, he really wont ever win a popularity contest with the UK fan base. He's arrogant, pompous, and a know it all. He does not listen to anybody who knows more than him!!!!!!!ESPECIALLY ABOUT HIRING (A FB COACH) AND RUNNING A GREAT FOOTBALL PROGRAM. The man is clueless. He won't listen to football people, insiders, etc....who know football, period!!!
Since when has the Athetic Director been like a "popularity contest"? And, who exactly is it that (a) knows more than him, and (b) wants to give him advice?

If it is "insiders" in the UK booster/old-boy network, then bravo, Mr. Barnhart!. He was hired explicitly to sever the connection with that group of folks. You know, the ones who perenially tarnish the reputation of UK sports? The ones who think they know it all, but may be just as clueless as you claim Barnhart to be?

Maybe you are one of those "insiders" that are now on the outside. I don't see any other reason for your continued blather about this man. Compared to other ADs, he has done no worse in football. Once a decade or so, the clouds will part, the sun will shine, the trumpets will sound, and UK will win six or seven games.

Then, the coffee break in Football Hell will be over, and it's back to the same old 3-win seasons for a stretch.

When has it been any different? Why do you have such special venom for Barnhart as compared to C.M. Newton, or Larry Ivy, or even "Golden Boy" Cliff Hagan?

Actually, I think that Barnhart has the possibility of bringing us to a higher level in football, but it won't be in one or two seasons. In fact, it won't be during Brooks' tenure here, either. Brooks' mission is to right a sinking ship, build a foundation for future success, and teach the program how to expect to win. I think that somewhere around 2010 or 2012, after a decade of gradual improvement, we will see a program that no longer vies with Vandy for the SEC cellar, but instead gives every SEC team a good game, with at least one "Big name" falling to us each year. Bowling will become a frequent, albeit not annual, event. We should by then have wished Brooks farewell for a nice retirement, hired a young, bright football coach, and be on the same trajectory that UofL was on when they hired Petrino, but WE will do it in the toughest conference in the land.

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i take solace in the fact that the administration knows how important barnhart is to the kentucky programs and the great job he is doing. he will be here for as long as "he" wants and the good old boy network is a thing of the past. i'm sure there are a few of them left making a little noise but it's going in one ear and out the other as barnhart has our program running smooth and the people that are in charge know it..

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I think Barnhart knew what he was doing when he hired Rich Brooks.

The man can't coach to save his life; but SOMEHOW he has convinced top recruits to come here. He is replenishing our depth charts....I think after next season, if not THIS season, he will be canned. We will bring in a new coach who will WANT to come here, because he will have weapons.....and we will succeed. I still think we can get to a bowl game this year!

Barnhart has done a great job with this ATHLETIC department. ATHLETIC, not FOOTBALL.

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yeah, I kind of have the feeling that Brooks really didn't want the UK job wholesale, but he did Mitch a favor at a time when UK really didn't have much of a chance to get anyone worth their coaching salt to come here.

Perhaps Brooks is simply a place holder type of coach. He does 4-5 seasons, gets the program back on it feet and then steps aside for a new coach to come and take over for him. I don't know if that is the case or not for sure, but one that seemed like a plausible course of action to me anyway.

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