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akah0mer
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posted 11-09-2007 07:48 AM
Although there is no "real" excuse for how the team played, I didn't find it surprising that we had a preseason meltdown.
There are just too many factors involved with a completely new team dynamic (new coach, injuries, bruised ego's, etc) to expect perfection 3 games into the season. Should we have beat G-W, yes.
I for 1 am not going to lose sleep over it. I have to go to work every weekday surrounded by nothing but UNC, NC State and Duke fans/grads. It took them no more the 34 milliseconds to start giving me crap when I walked in after the loss. I can take it.
BCG has said all along that he thought the season started entirely too soon.
To be honest, I would rather lose to G-W in early November (and get a couple of extra weeks of practice in), than lose to the TarHoles on December 1st (thus avoiding the truckload of "crap" ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) that I can expect (and have had to live with more times than I like in the past few years under Mr. Smith)).
I have confidence that Billy G (over the next 2 weeks) will address deficiencies and start to work out HIS coaching rhythm and patterns.
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posted 11-09-2007 08:08 AM
You're right, there are no excuses for that loss. I don't care that they've just been practicing for three weeks or however long. I don't care that Jasper and Harris were unable to play due to injury. Neither one of them lights up the scoreboard, so we would have lost anyways. We had to shoot incredible from the foul line (Bradley made 14/14) just to keep from getting completely blown-out. They've had time to implement a few offensive plays, get in better shape, and practice some fundamental defense, all of which should be efficient enough to beat a Gardner-Webb team that shouldn't even be worthy of playing in Rupp Arena, moreless hand it to us. To me. It's not THAT we lost. It's not even necessarily how BAD we lost. It's THAT we lost, how BAD we lost, to the TEAM we lost to. That's the highy embarassing, highly inexcusable, unbelievable aspect of it all. This team's already made national headlines alright. Billy G. and that team have been all over the national media....humiliating themselves. I hope they feel half as bad as I do, so maybe they'll at least win their next 3 games before they play the Louisvilles, North Carolinas, and Indianas. As for witnessing crap. After watching that display of basketball we saw the night before last, that's as crappy as it gets. I've never witnessed anything near to that crappy performance from any of Tubby Smith's teams. Gardner-Webb?
[ 11-09-2007, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: Knoxville Cat ]
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akah0mer
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posted 11-09-2007 08:38 AM
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I've never witnessed anything near to that crappy performance from any of Tubby Smith's teams.
Really?!? Please read the following:
Hoosiers drub Cats
If I remember the game correctly, it was pathetic and that was all accomplished with players that Tubby had had for years.
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posted 11-09-2007 12:56 PM
Comparing Indiana to Gardner-Webb is not comparing apples to oranges, more as apples to orangutans
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posted 11-09-2007 01:08 PM
Indiana. Gardner-Webb. Who's got a better program? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. C'mon, if we don't shoot lights out on the foul-line, we lose by 20+ to Gardner-Webb at Rupp Arena. That's not worse than losing badly to Indiana? The SAME program that's won 4 National Championships? Are you even serious? You have to be joking. We let a 6-3, former walk-on, at Gardner-Webb, scorch us for 23 points. Think about that for a minute....As I said, I never saw a performance THAT BAD from a Tubby Smith team, period. Please don't throw up the 20+ losses to Indiana and Kansas, please. IT's INDIANA and KANSAS. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!
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posted 11-10-2007 12:33 AM
Knoxville Cat, the next time you use the term moron or anything like that towards another member of these forums it will be the last time your thoughts will be allowed here.
AT EDIT: Since posting this I have discovered several other comments that are directed towards other members in a very negative tone. We do not allow such behivor on this site and it will not be tolerated. I strongly suggest that you pick your words and phrases much more carefully in the future and direct your comments towards the discussion rather than towards other members.
[ 11-10-2007, 01:03 AM: Message edited by: CatfanRick ]
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Knoxville Cat
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posted 11-10-2007 04:55 PM
Are you serious? We have administrators using the word "ass", which is a curse word, and I say "moron", which is not even a curse word, and you threaten me? There have been several posts over the past few days where the words "damn" and "ass" have been used, some by administrators. I say moron in a rhetorical sense, not mentioning names, and I get threatened. That's ridiculus.
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posted 11-10-2007 06:57 PM
I would like an explanation why I got called out and nobody else was mentioned by name on here who have been cursing. I've seen the words "idiot", "moron", "stupid", etc. Yet, I get called out all of a sudden. I would like an explanation on why I was singled out and threatened to be banned from this board for only saying moron, in a rhetorical statement, not mentioning names. I would think someone would have to do far worse than that to be banned. So I can curse, but can't rhetorically say moron?
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Brandon
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posted 11-10-2007 08:55 PM
The thing that concerns me isn't that UK lost to Gardner-Webb. It's the fact that they played bad enough that a team like Gardner-Webb was able to beat them.
But, before I go jumping on anyone about anything I'm wanting to see how they respond to this loss. This could be a fluke thing that happened on one night. If the team plays equally bad against Liberty, then I'm going to go looking for an explanation. If UK dominates Liberty, I'm willing to let the loss go as a bad night for the team.
I'm not going to base an entire season or a coaches reputation on one game which was played in the very beginning of the season.
The man is a basketball coach, not a miracle worker. He can only do so much with what he has to work with, especially in his first season.
Knoxville Cat, it's not the words that you used that is the issue it's that you singularly insulted a person. (I'm assuming here, I didn't see the original post)
Your comments need to address the post and not the poster directly. The mods can give you a better explanation.
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Knoxville Cat
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posted 11-10-2007 09:14 PM
I remember the post. I stated moron in a rhetorical sense, in a general statement format. I NEVER mentioned any specific poster's name. Are the administrators psychic, knowing what I was thinking? "Oh, he "meant" that term towards someone specific. Not enough to get threatened with being banned. I've seen worse than that on this board, and all the other boards I've ever been on. Go on over to CBS's boards, you'll see a lot worse than that. On THIS board, I've read curse words by adm. That's right? Cursing? I never used names, should have never been singled out like that, especially been threatened to be banned from the board. I've never used foul language, never used specific poster names, I simply argue the facts on this board.
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Brandon
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posted 11-10-2007 09:25 PM
I don't know what to tell you not having seen the post. It may be the way you worded the post that could be interpreted as being a personal attack.
This might just be a misunderstanding. You were called out because it was your post that exception was taken with. You weren't called out for personal reasons. The fact that your name was used was to get your attention specifically but the message was for everyone.
I'm sure this was a case of someone mistaking your intent. You can click on the mods name to get a personal explanation.
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posted 11-11-2007 07:15 AM
I can't believe all the crying I am hearing. Everyone wants to put the blame on Billy. The truth is a name does not make a team a top 20 team. We don't have a big man for the middle. This is a big problem. We don't have a lead or point guard. This is a problem. Patterson who is a (freshman) is a forward not a center.Crawford and Bradley have to learn how to become team players and leave the street playing behind. Stevenson needs strength if he can get it. Billy has a tough job ahead of him. I hated the loss but it was no surpise to me the way they played the first two games. It could reallly be a long season. We need to get behind Billy and hope he can mold the hand he was dealt into a winning team. The key to winning is to become a team and our two seniors guards need to make that happen. So everyone please quit your crying and face reality.We have a long way to go and Billy needs your support.
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posted 11-11-2007 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by Knoxville Cat:
Indiana. Gardner-Webb. Who's got a better program? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. C'mon, if we don't shoot lights out on the foul-line, we lose by 20+ to Gardner-Webb at Rupp Arena. That's not worse than losing badly to Indiana? The SAME program that's won 4 National Championships? Are you even serious? You have to be joking. We let a 6-3, former walk-on, at Gardner-Webb, scorch us for 23 points. Think about that for a minute....As I said, I never saw a performance THAT BAD from a Tubby Smith team, period. Please don't throw up the 20+ losses to Indiana and Kansas, please. IT's INDIANA and KANSAS. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!
I don't think akah0mer was comparing teams, he was comparing the performance of the teams. It doesn't matter who you play when talking about performance. The performance was just as pathetic last year versus Indiana and Kansas as it was against GW this year.
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Knoxville Cat
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posted 11-11-2007 10:19 AM
I happen to disagree with that theory completely. I think WHO you play drastically dictates performance. The level of competition you face impacts how well you play GREATLY. When you play a program like an Indiana or Kansas, the level of athlete you're going up against is not even close to the athlete you'll face against a Gardner-Webb. You absolutely have to take in consideration WHO you're playing in regards to performance. When you play top programs like KU and Ind, it's naturally going to be tougher to execute and play well because they have much better players than G-W that UK faces. It's common sense. In high school, when our football team played sorry teams, we would win by very large margins. Come the later rounds of the playoffs, when the level of competition increased, it was much harder to win those games and put up the numbers we would have against bad competition. We would get 300 rushing yards against a sucky team, but maybe manage only 150 rushing yards against a very good team. That's always the case in any sport you play. Comparing a UK team performance against Indiana or Kansas with a UK team performance against G-W is FAR beyond comparing apples and oranges, it's really not even worthy of mentioning.
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posted 11-11-2007 01:24 PM
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Comparing a UK team performance against Indiana or Kansas with a UK team performance against G-W is FAR beyond comparing apples and oranges, it's really not even worthy of mentioning.
So who gets to be the arbiter of "apple and oranges". Who knows, for G-W, this could have been the one time in their basketball careers that all the planets aligned and fate smiled upon them.
This is not the first time one of my favorite teams has been thouroughly whipped by someone that they shouldnt have, but I subscribe to the Any Given "Day name here" principle. I dont care what team you are. Any team playing at less than their best, against a team playing what may turn out to be the game of their lifetime stand a very good chance of losing.
My point was that a loss is a loss, looking pathetic is looking pathetic. I picked the loss to Indiana because to me, that was the first time that I had ever seen UK just completely fold.
BTW another Atlantic Sun "apple", or is it "orange" fell on another top ranked team. "Mighty" Mercer over No.18 USC. BY 15
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posted 11-11-2007 02:44 PM
USC losing to Mercer will be talked about for about a day. UK losing to Gardner-Webb will be talked about for a long time and will be remembered by all. USC is not UK, not in basketball. Michigan State can lose to Grand Valley State, Ohio State can lose to Findley, USC can lose to Mercer, but Kentucky stills the show as far as upsets. Kentucky basketball is just on another level than those schools traditionally. UK is the Yankees of college basketball. That's why on the Top 10 list of toughest coaching jobs in America, pro teams included, in any sport, UK basketball ranked #4. Those other schools are rich in football tradition, and with the exception of Michigan State, lack much basketball tradition. If USC or Ohio State lost to those schools in football, it would be all over everything, much the same way UK was over this loss in basketball. Mercer was also picked to finish 3rd by the media and the coaches this year in the Atlantic Sun Conference, while G-W was picked to finish 8th.
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posted 11-11-2007 02:52 PM
As far as crying is concerned, there have been no tears shed, which crying involves. I simply state facts in my posts. I'll add-in my opinion on a subject, but if there is a debate involved, I usually try to back it up with facts. I haven't been a baby for many years now and my crying stopped after that.
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posted 11-11-2007 04:12 PM
Doesn't seem to have stopped with you crying about this silly game for 4 days now. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
It's just a game man, not that big of a deal. Duke in '92, now that one hurt.
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posted 11-11-2007 04:55 PM
V, you would think however after 9 years of it 4 days is a trivial amount of time..
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posted 11-11-2007 05:36 PM
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V, you would think however after 9 years of it 4 days is a trivial amount of time..
Co-signed!
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posted 11-11-2007 06:59 PM
The top 3 winningest college basketball programs over the past 10 years are......
UConn, Duke, and who? You guessed it! Kentucky
So, in regards to your comment, I'm assuming you meant we've been winning over the past 9 years. Right?
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posted 11-11-2007 07:15 PM
Even though we've not advanced past the Elite Eight, we've been winning the hell out of the regular season. Cause, you know, that's what REALLY matters
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posted 11-11-2007 07:30 PM
Teams that have been to multiple Final Fours in last decade:
UNC, UF, Duke, MSU - 3
KU, UCLA, OSU - 2
No UK
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posted 11-11-2007 07:58 PM
Yeah, I know, like going to the Final Four is winning the National Title. We've been to 2 Elite Eights in the past 6 years, Duke has been to none. UK is the ONLY school to advance to the 2nd round every year over the last 10 years. Duke was put out by VMI in the 1st round last year, UConn didn't even make it to the tournament. Lot of good those Final Fours done, right? UK was a point away in 2005, despite our leader scorer, Azubuike, bolting for the NBA because of family issues prior to the season starting. That was only 3 seasons ago. I know the past 2 years have been WAY down, but...UK has won 263 games over the past 10 years. Conference tournaments count as part of the posteseason, and UK has won 5 of those. We've been to several Sweet 16's and 4 Elite Eights. Yeah, we didn't go to the Final Four...well, UConn won it all one year and then has failed to even make the tournament 2 or 3 times, not very consistent. If Azubuike comes back for his senior year, there's no doubt in my mind we win it all in 2005 and at least make the Final Four, easy. His dad put him in a bind, he had to leave early. In 2003, Keith Bogans had to guard none-other-than Dwayne Wade with a high-ankle sprain he suffered the game before in the Sweet 16, bad luck once again. Jason Parker was a dominant post-man and tears his ACL playing pick-up games before his sophomore year, which we went to the Sweet 16 anyways, without our best big man. Things happen, there was some bad luck involved. UK won 263 games over the past 10, anxious to see if UK can match that in the next 10. Sure, I want Final Fours, but unless you win it all, it's simply 1 round further than the Elite Eight.
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posted 11-11-2007 09:19 PM
Gez Knox - If I was 15" taller I would have been an all american. Past is past and you can "if" it to death. We havent been to a FF for 10 years and that is the longest period for our storied program. I doubt if we go this year with Tubby. Billy or Jesus coaching. The tread is our program is becoming less and less each year and the time was to go in another direction - which we have. Give the new coach a chance to build his system. We needed new blood and we got it and that is the fact.
gents the past is past lets move forward - a lot of whinnying(might not ever be a word lol) just gets ur blood pressure up.
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posted 11-11-2007 09:33 PM
Alright, fair enough. Let's just see how they come out the next 3 games and show improvement before we face the stiff competition. I'm kind've tired of posting about the G-W game or Tubby. It's not like I'm in love with Tubby Smith, heck, I wanted him gone. We did need change and I'll admit that. I guess I just look for debate sometimes, but I'm growing tired over the last couple of days...
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posted 11-12-2007 09:11 AM
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Sure, I want Final Fours, but unless you win it all, it's simply 1 round further than the Elite Eight.
That may be your perception and that of a few, very few, others but the fact remains that it is The Final Four (a copyright, by the way, which speaks to its value) which remains the "holy grail" of D1 basketball as recognized by the basketball media and a huge majority of BB fans. Considering that fact The Final Four is the standard of excellence in 21st century college basketball. Two relevant points: It's not called "The Road to the National Championship", and certainly not "The Road to the Elite Eight". And, if you doubt its impact consult with the AD at George Washington University.
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