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handycat
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posted 05-18-2020 05:05 PM
Why in God’s name can’t the President just keep his mouth shut!
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ukcatfannfl
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posted 05-18-2020 06:05 PM
The President is taking it as a preventive measure. - in all my years overseas working for State, I took it many many times. I don't have a prb with the President being an advocate of it - can't hurt for sure..
Bottom line to me Handy - trump is not a Diplomat, he is a person who can get things done and I for one, will accept his diplomacy flaws to get this economy humming like it was before the Chinese virus..
p.s I find it more offensive watching my President "bowing" to the Arabs like a little girl instead of showing some backbone!
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posted 05-18-2020 11:18 PM
Amen ukc. I heard where a Dr. is having great success with it on many patients (not for everyone) but to give it you have to have permission by going through all kinds of paperwork and hoops. The only medicine that is that way. He just prescribes the problem as something else and gets it and gives it to the patients it will help.
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posted 05-19-2020 07:24 AM
I’m no doctor but I choose to believe the VAST majority of the medical community who believe the drug is worthless when treating or preventing Covid19. That would include the VA study that concluded the drug was not only worthless but potentially life threatening. The task force assembled by the President has concluded the drug administered outside of a hospital setting is useless and possibly lethal to some people. While he is not verbally suggesting people take this as a preventive, his actions suggest otherwise.
You choose to believe Trump. To each their own. I just hope his base will at least consult with their doctors before starting to take this potentially dangerous drug for people not infected. It may be illegal to get this drug without a prescription but, from my understanding,it is fairly easy to obtain on the black market.
I believe it is irresponsible for the President of the United States to even suggest (by his actions) this drug be taken by “healthy people”. There are way too many people who believe anything that comes out of his mouth.
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posted 05-19-2020 08:32 AM
I don't believe for a second that Trump is taking it. Why would he? He's being tested every day, probably multiple times. Nobody goes near him without being tested and wearing a mask. He's in the most vulnerable group for severe side effects
from the drug: 73 years old, over weight and has an underlying heart condition that he takes medication for (Crestor).
There is no clinical evidence anywhere I can find that concludes it is safe to take HdQ for covid, actually just the opposite.
I can only think of 2 reasons he would ignore proven scientific evidence from his own medical experts and take it anyway.
1) As a known germophobe he's paranoid to the point he'll try anything.
2) He simply can not accept he is, and has been, WRONG about the drug.
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There are way too many people who believe anything that comes out of his mouth.
Everything the POTUS says matters...EVERYTHING!...to his base it's gospel.
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You choose to believe Trump. To each their own.
I've always approached things the same way, hc...You do you and I'll do me, especially if I know how "you doing you" is likely to turn out.
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ukcatfannfl
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posted 05-19-2020 09:51 AM
"You choose to believe Trump. To each their own. I just hope his base will at least consult with their doctors before starting to take this potentially dangerous drug"
Handy he did what you asked above- it is a dr prescribed drug by the white house dr - his personal dr..
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posted 05-19-2020 09:54 AM
'suggest (by his actions) this drug be taken by “healthy people”. There are way too many people who believe anything that comes out of his mouth."
And they should believe it Handy - I am a healthy male and I took it for yrs with zero side effects. Many thousands of people do to this day..
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MountainMafia
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posted 05-19-2020 10:05 AM
The president said he consulted with the White House doctor about taking hydroxychloroquine, but it was not explicitly recommended for him since he has not tested positive for the virus.
The study, released last month, found the two primary outcomes for COVID-19 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine were death and the need for mechanical ventilation.
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I am a healthy male and I took it for yrs with zero side effects. Many thousands of people do to this day..
Presumably, for it's intended use...not for covid. IOW, if he is infected while taking HdQ he will likely die.
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ukcatfannfl
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posted 05-19-2020 10:13 AM
"I’m no doctor but I choose to believe the vast majority etc etc: or preventing Covid19.
Dr Marc Siegel says that there are several studies that are being undertaken in Italy, France China and others to include the NIH to see how much promise this drug has in regards to the virus.
In addition, Henry Ford Hospital in Detrol has given the drug to over 3000 health care workers to determine how good It is in preventing COVD-19.
President Trump's taking of the drug was a Patient/DR decision and should not be made into a "Political" issue as it is been done by the left wing media..
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MountainMafia
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posted 05-19-2020 10:26 AM
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Dr Marc Siegel says that there are several studies that are being undertaken in Italy, France China and others to include the NIH to see how much promise this drug has in regards to the virus.
These studies have largely been discredited because the sample size was too small or inconsistent results.
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Henry Ford Hospital in Detrol has given the drug to over 3000 health care workers to determine how good It is in preventing COVD-19.
That is the plan. I don't think this study has begun yet. Even if it has I would think waiting on the results would make sense, but that's just me.
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President Trump's taking of the drug was a Patient/DR decision and should not be made into a "Political" issue as it is been done by the left wing media..
Trump wants it political or he would have kept his mouth shut.
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posted 05-19-2020 10:44 AM
"Trump wants it political or he would have kept his mouth shut."
Everyone knows that he says what he thinks at a particular time. The Media made it political not Trump..
Really this subject is too silly to even talk about - even we here have made it political...
(Dr/Patient agreement for him to take it - should be end of discussion)
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posted 05-19-2020 11:04 AM
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Everyone knows that he says what he thinks at a particular time.
That's the whole point, Ed. You can not do that when you are POTUS...everything he says has consequences.
Remember the disinfectant/sunlight injection thing?
Medical hotlines everywhere were ringing off the hook from people wanting to know if it would work...there were cases where some fools actually tried it...didn't turn out well.
When ask why people were doing this Trump replied "I can't imagine why"...really?
Some folks have completely quit trying to think for themselves and instead rely on someone who is, let's say, less than reliable when it comes to the truth...go figure.
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posted 05-19-2020 11:35 AM
"if he is infected while taking HdQ he will likely die."
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MountainMafia
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posted 05-19-2020 11:53 AM
two primary outcomes for COVID-19 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine were death and the need for mechanical ventilation.
Let's put it this way, if he becomes infected he would be wise to get off HdQ. That is if he is taking it at all, which I seriously doubt...makes no sense at all...why take the unnecessary and dangerous risk?
Trump says he's doing fine..."So far".
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posted 05-19-2020 12:58 PM
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Remember the disinfectant/sunlight injection thing?
Medical hotlines everywhere were ringing off the hook from people wanting to know if it would work...there were cases where some fools actually tried it...didn't turn out well.
This topic really irks me. There's a difference between suggesting and questioning. The way I heard it, I don't think Trump said anything close to suggesting people go drink a bottle of disinfectant. And if people are stupid enough to think they can do that, that's not Trump fault.
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MountainMafia
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posted 05-19-2020 01:35 PM
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The way I heard it, I don't think Trump said anything close to suggesting people go drink a bottle of disinfectant.
No, he didn't suggest drinking it...he suggested injecting it.
Scroll over to about the 2:30 mark.
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And if people are stupid enough to think they can do that, that's not Trump fault.
Well, when the POTUS suggest insane and stupid things, there are those among us who don't need any further clarification...the chosen one has spoken...good enough.
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posted 05-19-2020 01:41 PM
"why take the unnecessary and dangerous risk?"
His Dr's do not think so and since he has a personal phy to the President I'll go along with him and not make it a "political event" as the news media has!>
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MountainMafia
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posted 05-19-2020 02:01 PM
Alright, Ed, fine. If Trump wants to endanger himself have at it...just do it quietly.
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I'll go along with him and not make it a "political event" as the news media has!>
Trump is the one who brought it up, not the media, what did you expect the media to do, ignore it?..Trump knew exactly what he was doing. He knew the media would run with it because, well, that's their job. I think even FOX was taken back by it.
Chaos, controversy, blame, deflect, deny etc....Oh, and "take no responsibility at all".
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posted 05-19-2020 03:03 PM
I was watching live when it happened on FOX. Neil Cavuto and others on FOX were obviously shocked and disbelieving when it happened. Since then some others have tried to clean it up a bit, but not all. I have not watched anything on CNN but I’m sure they are having a field day with it.
I know Cavuto has fallen out of favor for many on here since he has had the audacity to disagree at least twice with the President. The unpardonable sin for true Trump supporters.
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posted 05-19-2020 03:18 PM
I posted this on February 6 when we were discussing impeachment. I said it would have no impact on the election.
What I mean is: By November the impeachment will be a long forgotten footnote filed away under the "yeah, but" category. Because soon (I predict) there will be another crisis, then another, then another, then........don't know what but I know it's coming, you know it's coming...hell, we all know it's coming
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posted 05-20-2020 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by MountainMafia:
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The way I heard it, I don't think Trump said anything close to suggesting people go drink a bottle of disinfectant.
No, he didn't suggest drinking it...he suggested injecting it.
Scroll over to about the 2:30 mark.
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And if people are stupid enough to think they can do that, that's not Trump fault.
Well, when the POTUS suggest insane and stupid things, there are those among us who don't need any further clarification...the chosen one has spoken...good enough.
Like I originally said, there's a difference between suggesting and questioning. On the link you provided, his exact words are "IS there a way we can do something LIKE that?"
And here's the way i interpret that - I don't believe he was actually thinking that we hook an IV of Lysol up to a person's vein. I'm gonna guess he was wondering if we could create some type of drug to knock out the virus through injection, similar to chemotherapy. But that's just me thinking for myself.
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posted 05-20-2020 06:54 AM
Paul, I agree. I think he misspoke or perhaps didn’t make himself as clear as he could have. No big deal. I’ve joked about this but I never thought he was actually suggesting anyone inject Lysol into themselves. He may not be the “stable
genius” he keeps claiming to be but he is not stupid.
My problem is this. When questioned about this he said it was a sarcastic comment in response to a question asked by a reporter. Really? Did you hear any question from a reporter that would call for this type of response? Did you interpret it that way?
Instead of saying he misspoke or the remark was taken wrong, out of context or something to that affect, he lied. Typical Trump. He simply can not admit a mistake, no matter how minor.
I’ve said it time and time again. I may support his stated policies, but his character leaves a lot to be desired.
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posted 05-20-2020 08:15 AM
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I never thought he was actually suggesting anyone inject Lysol into themselves.
You may be right hc, but these folks were not so sure.
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From the link.
"The social media chatter led Lysol and Dettol parent RB to quickly release a statement before anyone takes what Trump says literally."
An important point here is these companies are not saying they took Trump's statement literally or believe he actually meant it.
However, they know there are fools in this world, and some of these fools will, and did, take it literally. That's the folks they were addressing, not people who can actually breath without being told how.
Trump is the POTUS. What he says and does has far-reaching and sometimes deadly consequences. It matters...a lot...especially to the fools in the world.
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posted 05-20-2020 09:50 AM
"You may be right hc, but these folks were not so sure."
May be candidates for the Darwinian Awards.
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posted 05-20-2020 10:18 AM
Maybe it is time we go back to when we were growing up and they didn't have to put warnings on every item because we were smart enough to know not to eat drink or inject Lysol or gasoline or other dangerous items. The stupid ones tend to get rid of themselves that way !!! jk, well kind of ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted 05-20-2020 10:18 AM
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May be candidates for the Darwinian Awards.
Seems like there are several Darwinian candidates around.
For example, Trump claiming that our world-leading 1.5 million covid cases is a "badge of honor" because it is a testament to our magnificent and wonderful testing policy.
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OTOH, he says testing is overrated.
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What's the old saying...better to let people think you to be a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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posted 05-20-2020 02:56 PM
I get so tired of your permanent negativity. You should have chosen the user name Debbie Downer.
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posted 05-20-2020 03:59 PM
I don’t doubt that one bit Norm.
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posted 05-20-2020 04:34 PM
You did make one positive remark today. Glad to hear about Suzy's prognosis.
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posted 05-20-2020 08:07 PM
Thanks Norm
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