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boomdaddy
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posted 09-07-2018 05:30 PM
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boomdaddy
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posted 09-07-2018 05:36 PM
Poor, poor Obama
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ironrangetoo
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posted 09-08-2018 12:22 PM
The "trashing" and criticism seems accurate and very justified.
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SCWC
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posted 09-08-2018 12:38 PM
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The "trashing" and criticism seems accurate and very justified. quote:
Spoken like a true left wing liberal.
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posted 09-08-2018 01:31 PM
Obama is the left wing main stream media darling. They aired all of the anti American, anti Trump sewage of Obama and showed only a small portion of President's Trump's speech.
The liberal media is pushing the mantra that showing patriotism for your country and respect for the flag is only for right wingers.
You don't have to be a Trump supporter to see what this country is up against in dealing with the left wing biased media.
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ironrangetoo
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posted 09-08-2018 07:18 PM
I just have a low opinion of bigotry, ignorance, intolerance, and paranoia, as well as those who regard these as virtues.
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SCWC
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posted 09-09-2018 01:55 AM
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I just have a low opinion of bigotry, ignorance, intolerance, and paranoia, as well as those who regard these as virtues quote:
In my opinion, you just described yourself in the posts you occasionally put on this forum in reference to political matters.
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posted 09-09-2018 08:04 AM
Funny how when people don't care too much for law breakers, murderers, thugs, and those who dishonor our country, they get labeled as ignorant and intolerant. I'm just glad we have a president who stands up for our country, no matter what other people think about him.
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posted 09-09-2018 08:12 AM
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In my opinion, you just described yourself in the posts you occasionally put on this forum in reference to political matters.
I agree...ironrangetoo has a "low opinion of bigotry, ignorance, intolerance, and paranoia, as well as those who regard these as virtues".
I'm sure we all feel the same way.
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SCWC
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posted 09-09-2018 09:11 AM
MM, you took my post out of context. I meant he was describing how you liberals feel about what is going on in our country, thanks to Trump. You are definitely in that category also, it is you all that subscribe to that theory, not us. My description might not have lived up to your high standards but what I truly meant was that you all are the ones that feel and act that way, not conservatives.
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posted 09-09-2018 10:13 AM
IMO, Trump gets some bad PR that is not deserved and way too many things he says are blown out of proportion. He should learn to keep his mouth shut but what you see is what you get.
On the other hand, a large percentage of Trump supporters believe any thing he says with out regards to what the evidence shows or at least suggests. Not necessarily saying that about anyone on this board but personal observation makes me believe this about many friends and family.
I believe if Trump took one of his turds and gave it to many of his supporters and told them it was a burrito, they would eat it and say it was some of the finest Mexican cuisine that they had ever eaten.
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SCWC
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posted 09-09-2018 10:37 AM
I agree Handy, Trump has a lot of warts and I can see through them, I am just looking at our economy etc and things are great in our country economically right now. That is what sways most voters, pocket book issues. I am just happy that he did away with most of the Obama executive orders that were killing our economy.
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posted 09-09-2018 11:51 AM
Wait a second, Handy! Are you telling me that WASN'T a burrito I ate? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted 09-09-2018 12:35 PM
Obama is the ONLY president who routinely elevates himself and trashes other presidents, both sitting and ex-presidents. He has already completely broken protocol and precedent. But THIS is just amazing. I have ZERO respect for him because of this.
He accuses Trump of using using negative emotions and 'barely veiled racist nationalism' to rise to power. Really? "Make America Great" is a negative emotion? Do people of color NOT want America to be great? Why would that be a 'white' ideal? It is seen that way because of the success of the Left in setting one ethnic group against the other. "America" is no longer one great experiment representative republican democracy. It is now "black America", or "white America", or even "gay America". The melting pot is long gone.
Obama's slogan was "hope and change". The only difference between the two is Obama believed that America has historically been flawed, and needed to change to become better. Trump's slogan implies that America was once better than it is today, and needs to return to that greatness. Both urge the populace to work hard to improve the country. Yet, Trump is a racist/bigot/bully and Obama is a saint?
Obama was America's most racist president since LBJ, and even then, LBJ wasn't as public about it. And he dares call Trump a racist? It was Obama's overt racism that set race relations in this country back decades. Obama's stirring of anti-police sentiment reignited race conflicts and set blacks against whites , and his use of the IRS and other government agencies to threaten and attack his political opponents were the tactics of Middle-Eastern tinpot dictators, not US Presidents.
But Obama has the gift of being handsome, suave, and he has a silver tongue. He also benefits from decades of his fellow progressives creating and reinforcing "The Narrative", which informs his every word and deed. And, he GREATLY benefited from the toxic level of discourse in this country. There is really only one acceptable way to think; those who differ are subjected to intense hate and vitriol, and even violence. That violence always originates from the left, at best ignored, if not condoned and even applauded by an overwhelming majority of the media, "progressive" political elites, and academia. Where violence is "needed", thugs and neer-do-wells are bused in and funded as they wreak their mayhem.
Trump is a loose cannon and a poor character to represent this country. Frankly, he embarrasses me with his antics. But he is more-or-less moving this country back to where I think we need to be. "Conservatism" is often seen as "backwards" or "lowbrow", but it is based upon the idea that there are some principles that are timeless and true, and those principles should be the basis for our great nation. It is those principles that the "progressives" either reject, or have subverted and redefined to suit their own agenda. Obama exemplified that more than any other president. Trump is a stark contrast to Obama, and on the surface, Trump looks like a buffoon. I wince at his tweets, and his poorly thought-out off-the-cuff comments. I dislike his personality, and his character is despicable. But strip away the coarse exterior, and look at his actions... and I see the very principles that allowed this nation to be exemplary being strengthened and restored.
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posted 09-09-2018 01:59 PM
Paul, you're probably ok. I certainly don't consider you one who believes everything the POUTUS says. However I would be mindful of eating burritos when in Trump country.
Tip, I agree with most of what you say. I just don't think Trump is a good representative of conservative values in our country. Better than Obama and Hillary? Yes! No president has or will ever be perfect. But I will always believe we could and should have done better.
Trump has made me a lot of money and I appreciate it. I also agree with many of his policy's. That doesn't mean I agree with him on everything and he has embarrassed me on many occasions.
I don't know who scares me the most amongst hard core Trump supporters. Those who believe everything he says in spite of the evidence or those who simply don't care that he plays very loose with the truth as long as his policy's continue to benefit them personally.
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posted 09-09-2018 03:09 PM
Handy says: Those who believe everything he says in spite of the evidence
Pls what has he has said that proved to be untrue
with evidence to prove it? Just curious handy
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posted 09-09-2018 04:30 PM
Handy, I refuse to watch Neal Cavuto, have for several years now. He is not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. Because Cavuto says something does not make it the truth, that is mostly his opinion, he is of the never Trump faction. He is on Fox Business which I watch all the time but I turn it off during his two hours from 12 to 2 every day.
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posted 09-09-2018 04:55 PM
SCWC, I don't want to piss you off as you're one of my favorites on here.
I can't prove or disprove anything on Donald Trump as I don't have the intelligence, experience or the resources to do so. However, there are numerous things that just don't add up in this country boys mind. I would like someone to point out to me the things Cavuto got wrong or lied about in this clip.
Time for me to get off this thread as I will change no ones mind about Trump and it's unlikely that I will see the gospel according to Donald because of any thing posted here.
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posted 09-09-2018 06:04 PM
Handy, you and I have a mutual respect for each other, don't ever worry that differing opinions will change that, not from me. You are a good egg. Trump is definitely not a polished politician but the one thing I honestly do believe is that he truly loves our country and is trying his best to help working class people. I don't claim to have the intelligence to know what is true and what is not either but I am very skeptical of most of the so called journalists these days and do feel they are out to bury Trump and get him out of office in any matter they can.
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posted 09-09-2018 09:10 PM
Handy I second SCWC about you.... You are an assess to this board and I respect your opinions and enjoy your posts.
as far as Neil C he is a talking head who is paid to express HIS views on any subject. A journalist is supposed to be objective and just report what is happening and not provide their personal views which is what reporters now do.. I am not "all in" for Trump just that so far he has delivered his campaign promises much better than the previous two and probably further back than that.
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posted 09-13-2018 04:55 PM
Today's tweet, "3000 people did not die in the hurricanes in Puerto Rico." This in spite of when many, maybe most, prominent Republicans say that these numbers "have not" been exaggerated.
This is what drives me absolutely bat **** crazy about this POTUS.
Do I think he bears any responsibility for the death toll or the virtual destruction of these islands? Absolutely not! He and all involved did everything humanly possible to lessen this tragedy. The terrible infrastructure, the intensity of the storm and several other factors caused this little bit of hell. My problem is that he wanted to recieve accolades for his "unbelievable response" to avoid a real tragedy and when things went south he blames it on the fake news.
I know several Trump supporters will defend this as they will all of his lies, exaggerations and half truths. Let's play a game, do so without using the words Obama, Hillary or liberals.
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posted 09-13-2018 06:12 PM
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The governor of Puerto Rico has revised the territory’s official Hurricane Maria death toll to 2,975 following the release of a long-awaited study by the Milken Institute of Public Health at George Washington University on 28 August 2018. The revised figure, which encompasses all Maria-related fatalities during the six months following the September 2017 storm, is more than 46 times higher than the previous official estimate of 64 and more than twice as high as the government’s later, unofficial estimate of 1,400. For comparison’s sake, Hurricane Katrina — a far costlier storm in terms of property damage — caused 1,833 deaths. The original count had languished under a cloud of skepticism ever since it was announced by Puerto Rico’s Department of Public Safety in December 2017. The Category 4 hurricane was the worst natural disaster ever to strike the United States territory and the third costliest storm on record, having caused an estimated $90 billion in damage. Even before government officials locked the Hurricane Maria death toll in at 64, statistics-based estimates by a number of different sources indicated that the actual total could top 1,000. The GWU study, conducted in collaboration with researchers from the University of Puerto Rico Graduate School of Public Health, was commissioned by Governor Ricardo Rosselló in February 2018 in response to widespread criticism of the earlier estimate. GWU’s results differ from those of a July 2018 study by Harvard University which concluded, based on survey data with a wide margin of uncertainty, that as many as 4,645 Puerto Ricans died as a result of the hurricane over a two-and-a-half month period. The newer findings relied on government mortality data and death certificates, which the researchers say afford a more accurate accounting of the death toll than survey data. quote:
I personally consider hurricane deaths those that occurred directly from the hurricane making landfall, not from deaths that occurred several months later. Trump should never have tweeted anything about this and I can understand some republicans separating themselves from his tweet.
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posted 09-13-2018 07:00 PM
SCWC, been wondering about you and another friend we have in Raleigh. I'm sure they are in a safer location than you. Be safe.
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posted 09-13-2018 07:04 PM
Handy, the rains and wind gusts are just starting. Bad part of this is, it is supposed to be with us until Sunday morning, that is a lot of time for a hurricane to linger. I am as prepared as I can be but you just never know, have a lot of big southern pine trees around my property, keeping my fingers crossed. This area is like a ghost town, no gas stations open, 7pm to 7am curfew etc. It's going to be a tough one, my biggest fear is trees and loss of electricity. I have a generator but without access to gasoline, it will not do me any good. Thanks for asking Handy. My nerves are starting to get a wee bit frayed. Wilmington where it is coming ashore is 50 miles north of me, then it is supposed to turn south and go right near us. I have been through several hurricanes but all I have been through have gone through within about 18 hours, not two and a half days like they are projecting Florence to do.
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