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MountainMafia
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posted 05-19-2018 12:20 PM
I heard on the news that authorities were looking into holding the shooter's dad responsible for not having his guns properly secured. WTF! This is a 17 year old boy in the state of Texas, where a lot of boys are accomplished hunters by this age.
If he had taken his dad's car without permission and ended up purposely ramming it into a crowd-killing several people-would his dad be responsible for not properly securing the keys?
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handycat
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posted 05-19-2018 12:58 PM
I happen to agree that parents, guardians etc should be held accountable (depending on the circumstances) along with the little bastards. In this case there was plenty of warning signs that something was terribly wrong. If your child walked around wearing a T-shirt saying "born to kill" and wearing a long trench coat on warm days, would it be unreasonable to secure your guns?
I'm probably in the minority here but I think it is appropriate to hold the parents of these little monsters accountable in some cases.
I hear so much talk about these kids not receiving enough attention and being bullied. PLEASE! Most of us have had these issues at one time or another. Deal with it. The bleeding hearts can feel sorry for the little bastards and their family's, I'll save my sympathy for the murdered and injured children and their family's.
The purpose of a car is not to kill something. You can not say that about a gun.
If you own it, secure it.
[ 05-19-2018, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: handycat ]
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boomdaddy
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posted 05-19-2018 01:46 PM
When a toddler or small child gets their hands on a hand gun and shoots another kid by mistake, I do feel the adult should stand responsible for making it available.
In the case of a 17 year, I do not feel that way.
There are kids that are not like everyone else and there are kids that go after them with no mercy. I do think it is worse, because of social media. I am not saying that is the root cause of kids that decide to shoot their classmates, but kids will always be cruel to those that don't fit in. The only time they do all the hugging and singing kumbaya is when there is a tragedy, they rest of the time, they seek to persecute anyone who does not fit in. It is the same with citizenship in this country. A large portion identify themselves by race, not as Americans (I am excluding illegals) The majority of Americans only identify first as Americans, after an event like 9/11, the go back to their old ways after the newness wears off.
As a general rule, when I worked at a very large company, I was extra nice to the psychotic people that were employed there. Because if they decided to go on a rampage, I figure they would spare me for being nice to them.
I am not lumping the bi-polar people in with the psychotics, by the way. The bi-polar people are the worst to deal with, because of the multiple personalities. Had a direct boss that was bi polar. Companies tend to ignore that illness and let them persecute anyone under them if they are in a supervisory position.
Bi-polar people should not be in any position of authority like a judge for example or where a life could hang inn the balance, like a state trooper.
I don't know what percentage of the population is mentally ill, but our society does not handle them correctly. I, personally, don't know what the best course of action to take for them. The ones that go on rampages fall through the cracks. When that is the case, we can't expect society to protect us from all of the crazy bi polar ones, either.
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posted 05-19-2018 02:18 PM
I don't think high school kids should have easy access to a gun. I agree that parents should be held accountable when this stuff happens.
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handycat
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posted 05-19-2018 10:17 PM
Boom, that seems kind of harsh on the nearly 6 million people that are bi-polar in the United States. I know several people that have this disease and as long as they take their meds they are just as normal as I am. That could be a poor choice of words. I've never known bi-polar to be associated with multiple personalities unless you are speaking about the highs and lows these people fight frequently.
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MountainMafia
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posted 05-19-2018 11:23 PM
I didn't mean to suggest that parents should never be held accountable, of course there are circumstances where the parents are absolutely responsible....l.e. leaving a loaded gun where small children can get to them.
This kid is 17 years old. He knows the consequences of his actions....he knows the deadly nature of firearms, and that is why prosecutors will motion to try him as an adult.
Even if dad had "properly secured " the guns his son would likely know where they were and how to get to them.
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boomdaddy
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posted 05-20-2018 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by handycat:
Boom, that seems kind of harsh on the nearly 6 million people that are bi-polar in the United States. I know several people that have this disease and as long as they take their meds they are just as normal as I am. That could be a poor choice of words. I've never known bi-polar to be associated with multiple personalities unless you are speaking about the highs and lows these people fight frequently.
If I am on the wrong side of the fence on bi-polar, then I just am. Don't see me changing.
It appears to me that acting as if it is no big deal as long as they are medicated is ignoring the lives that they influence. That is called protecting the rights of a few whole ignoring the rights of the many. It is what happens as a general rule. That is why this whole unisex bathroom thing came about and letting "trannies" into the military.
I strongly disagree with a bi polar person being a trooper, although I am fully aware that is allowed. A bi polar judge could give the maximum sentence out carelessly, on a day when he/she is not in balance. Let's not forget the control that managers have on their subordinates' professional lives. They influence raises, promotions, demotions, and job security. A bi polar manager can wreak havoc, not only with morale, but with the livelihood of those directly under them. There is no healthy and balanced panel of judges that will look into a bi polar manager and say: That person needs to be put in a non supervisory role and those under that person need to be re-evaluated.
That is the America that we live in. Mental illness is not addressed the way it should be. Society suffers as whole, because of it.
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