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ukcatfannfl
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posted 08-21-2021 09:07 AM      Profile for ukcatfannfl   Email ukcatfannfl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Talk about having zero creditability with any country - cut and run again leaving everything behind including Americans!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taliban-mocks-america-in-a-propaganda-video-that-shows-its-fighters-dressed-up-in-us-army-uniforms-and-gear/ar-AANzeVg?ocid=msedgntp

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ukcatfannfl

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posted 08-21-2021 09:52 AM      Profile for ukcatfannfl   Email ukcatfannfl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Its worse than we thought!

https://republicandaily.net/2021/08/those-u-s-weapons-seized-by-the-taliban-its-worse-than-we-thought/

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ukcatfannfl

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posted 08-21-2021 11:35 AM      Profile for Tiptree   Email Tiptree   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Words cannot describe the sheer ineptitude of our "withdrawal".

The very LAST thing you should close down during a planned withdrawal is the primary source of your military power -- the airbase at Bagram. Once that was gone, the Afghan military had ZERO chance, since we had spent 20 years training them to fight like we fight -- with the aid of superior airpower. Lacking that, those greenhorns had no chance against the battle-hardened irregulars in the Taliban.

Of course, the other elephant in the room that led to the immediate collapse of the Afghan military is that they were heavily penetrated by the Taliban. Some estimate that as high as 50% of the rank-and-file recruits in the Afghan army were loyal to the Taliban, not the government.

But the BIGGEST elephant of all is WHY DID WE GIVE THE KINDS OF WEAPONS, AND THE QUANTITY, TO AN UNRELIABLE ALLY? For example, what on earth did the Afghan military need anti-tank missiles for? The Taliban had no tanks! When asked about the sheer enormity of the weapons abandoned to the Taliban, the DoD spokeperson said "well, they asked for them". WHAT??? Are there no adults in the room?

This debacle will join our unnecessary humiliation in Vietnam as the clear signs of a great country that is over-extended and in serious decay. For those of a religious bent, it was always curious that the end-time prophesies never mention anything that could be interpreted as the United States. Now, I think I see why. We simply won't be around when Jesus returns.

China will end up profiting enormously from deals with the Taliban to extract rare-earth metals (and the Taliban will profit equally as much). The entire geopolitics of South and Central Asia has changed, and not in our favor. And the clear signal of both political and military weakness will embolden China in its efforts to re-claim Taiwan, which would be an unmitigated disaster for our economy.

I see war in the Pacific in our lifetime. And it won't go well. The Chinese and the Russians are just completing a joint military exercise, and it seems they are rather rapidly coming into a common vision of the world. We cannot defeat both China and Russia in war. They know this, without a doubt. Our only deterrence is our nuclear arsenal, which will serve to limit the effect of our defeat somewhat, unless of course, we have lost the political will to use them.

Strife and division within our country, weakness and humiliation abroad, unprecedented debt, profligate spending... when have we seen such a mess????

We have no "margin" left. We have spent 20 years in a futile war, and left shamefully almost everywhere we entered. The will to fight has been drained from us. Add in the crippling effect of overspending and an untenable debt load, social unrest, and the decline of a common culture, and we are weak and ripe for disruption, if not destruction. Pray for our nation. Pray first for revival, for God will not bless a nation that rejects Him.

[ 08-21-2021, 11:41 AM: Message edited by: Tiptree ]

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ukcatfannfl
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posted 08-21-2021 11:44 AM      Profile for ukcatfannfl   Email ukcatfannfl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tip says:
"Our only deterrence is our nuclear arsenal, which will serve to limit the effect of our defeat somewhat, unless of course, we have lost the political will to use them."

We will use nuclear weapons BUT only when it is too late to win anything. The world could very well end if/when this happens.. Really sad when you sit down and think about the reality of our situation as a world power and feared! Now russia and china see this as the opportunity of a lifetime and the U.S. ( what is left of it) would become a communist country). could become true..

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posted 08-21-2021 02:08 PM      Profile for MEL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just read where one of our commanders in Kabul told the British to quit leaving the airport to go out and save citizens (they have even saved Americans) because it is making the US militray look bad. Our military is not allowed to go out.
Bido has lied through his teeth over and over to the American public the last week !!!

MEL

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posted 08-21-2021 06:12 PM      Profile for Tiptree   Email Tiptree   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That is ridiculous.

Apparently, the other day when our troops "sallied forth" to rescue about 150 people, the real story is that those people were at the perimeter fence of the airport, begging to be let in. Finally, our guys went out and ushered them inside.

I wonder how many levels of approval that took? When politics rules the battlespace, there is little initiative left for the commanders. This is why we were not terribly concerned about the overwhelming numerical supremacy of the Soviets during the cold war. We knew that those forces were tightly controlled by embedded political officers, and thus, their ability to take risks and be bold was almost zero. Now, WE are the ones with political officers.. in the broadest sense.

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posted 08-23-2021 11:29 AM      Profile for viperz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought Biden would be a terrible president but he's be so so so so much worse than I thought possible.

It's like whoever is behind him wants to run the country into the ground. I can't understand it.

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posted 08-23-2021 11:47 AM      Profile for Old Norm   Email Old Norm   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, there's this: He has made Jimmy Carter look good!

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Pray For Our Country!

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ukcatfannfl
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posted 08-23-2021 05:48 PM      Profile for ukcatfannfl   Email ukcatfannfl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funny thing Norm just yesterday i told Joan the same thing - no longer will Jimmy be the worst president of all time!

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ukcatfannfl

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posted 08-24-2021 11:04 AM      Profile for viperz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Old Norm:
Well, there's this: He has made Jimmy Carter look good!

I don't know if he's the worst president ever but he has to be top 3.
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posted 08-24-2021 12:02 PM      Profile for Bama Cat   Email Bama Cat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You really want to know who's pulling Biden's strings??? It's not Kamala or Nancy or Schumer! It's one of our previous presidents, and it's not Bush or Trump so I'll give you one guess. Who do you think is enjoying his third round of the presidency????? None other! Our dumb people who put him in there twice can take most of the blame. We need to go round him up and put HIS ass in Guantanamo!!!
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posted 08-24-2021 01:17 PM      Profile for Old Norm   Email Old Norm   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I told Millie from the get go that Obama was pulling Biden's puppet strings. I totally agree with your post.

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posted 08-25-2021 12:05 PM      Profile for Bama Cat   Email Bama Cat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No doubt. His dementia is so far gone that he doesn't even realize that they are putting Obama's words on his cue cards where he says them, sometimes. then he goes back to the basement until 2024 when they can figure out who they have that can win again, by cheating. He had picked Kamala because he wanted to be able to know he put the first black woman in the VP position. We better win both the house and senate next year and put Obama out of business for good.
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