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posted 11-22-2020 10:05 AM      Profile for handycat   Email handycat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I’ve always considered myself a staunch Republican. I know many on this board would argue with me because of my intense dislike of Trump.

But enough is enough. Continuing to dispute the outcome of this election without proof is doing, at the least, a disservice to our country and possibly great harm.

I watched the bizarre news conference of Rudy and team. They offered conspiracy theories and little else.

I know there are very few on here that believe this but Trump’s ego may cost us the Senate when the run off election takes place in Georgia. Moderate Republicans are tired of this. Yes I consider myself part of that group.

One of the primary reasons I am a Republican is my belief they have more integrity and honesty that the Democratic Party. Not individuals, but the party leaders.

I’m beginning to have serious concerns about those beliefs.

Many Republican leaders have stepped forward and said it’s time for Trump to concede. Many, many more need to do so IMO.

Something else I’m confused about. In 2016 Trump had 304 electoral votes and lost the popular vote by about 2 million. That was considered a landslide by most Republicans, including myself. In 2020 Biden won 306 elector votes and the popular vote by al most 6 million votes. The 2020 election was so close we had to ask for recounts and filed numerous lawsuits. To date, no significant outcomes. All this with no proof except minor discrepancies that occur in all elections. As I said, i’m confused.

Trump will never go graciously, but for the good of the country just GO.

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posted 11-22-2020 12:28 PM      Profile for Trey Ball   Email Trey Ball   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
handycat,

Tucker Carlson basically said the same thing last week.

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posted 11-22-2020 12:59 PM      Profile for handycat   Email handycat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Tucker Carlson basically said the same thing last week.

That surprises me a lot. I watch a lot of news, majority of it Fox News. Quit watching Carlson quite a while ago. I always thought he was extremely biased and only reported what conservatives wanted to hear.

Another opinion. All “news” networks report news in a manner that they think their primary viewers want to hear. Ratings = Money.

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posted 11-22-2020 02:39 PM      Profile for MountainMafia     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hc:
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But enough is enough. Continuing to dispute the outcome of this election without proof is doing, at the least, a disservice to our country and possibly great harm.
Trump could not care less, hc.

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posted 11-22-2020 05:45 PM      Profile for m hamilton   Email m hamilton   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think at this point I care who won the election as much to get to the bottom of some of the affidavits that are out there. If illegal things took place during an election then they need to be researched!
At this point I don't care if I'm the minority here. If improper things happened then they need to be investigated! Why was the election stopped in every state at the same time of night? Does anyone have an answer? Has anyone ever heard of election counting stopped in any state in the middle of the night when the count was incomplete?

No one finds it odd that PBS did an article on their news back in October about how fallible the Dominion polling equipment was? They did an article about the very subject of how easy the Dominion polling equipment was to mess with to alter voting. Someone besides me can probably look up the info online, I'm not tech savvy like I wished I was.

Sydney Powell, is not going to risk her career on nothing. I want to see what she really has!

Why is it that Obama was allowed to argue signatures during one of his election terms and no one argued about it? It was well into December President Elect Al Gore was just Senator Gore again? Correct?

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posted 11-22-2020 06:45 PM      Profile for handycat   Email handycat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Sydney Powell, is not going to risk her career on nothing. I want to see what she really has!
I think you’re right. She left Trump’s legal team today.

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posted 11-22-2020 08:13 PM      Profile for handycat   Email handycat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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It was well into December President Elect Al Gore was just Senator Gore again? Correct?
Yes it was. However, IMO, that is comparing apples and oranges. That election hinged on one state. When the recount was done, the election was won by less than 600 votes in the state of Florida. I think I have that right. This is multiple states with thousands of votes needed to be overturned in 5 or 6 states depending on the number of electoral votes the states have.

The pandemic did not go away after the election as promised by Trump. At the very least, Trump should be giving Biden information that would insure prompt distribution of the vaccine. To do less is unconscionable.

I also believe he should be giving him security briefings that every past president has done. That would include the Bush/Gore election. I suspect none of this will happen in the near future.

“You learn a lot about people when they don’t get what they want.”

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posted 11-22-2020 08:34 PM      Profile for clydeh   Email clydeh   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gore was president elect???
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posted 11-22-2020 08:51 PM      Profile for handycat   Email handycat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My bad Dr Clyde. For some reason I thought he was given security briefings just in case but I probably have that wrong. I I may not remember correctly but I think the results of that election truly were in doubt.

Decided that I better look things up rather than rely on my old memory.

Found this. Clinton was the sitting President.
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Even during the contested recount of 2000, when only a single state was in play and Vice President Al Gore and Texas Gov. George W. Bush were separated by just hundreds of votes, Bush was given full intelligence briefings.
https://www.startribune.com/here-s-what-u-s-is-losing-as-transition -is-delayed/573070622/

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posted 11-22-2020 09:17 PM      Profile for clydeh   Email clydeh   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
handy,
My memory is not good. I was not certain about the answer to my question.

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posted 11-22-2020 10:21 PM      Profile for MEL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If this is true y'all need to take back waht you said about Biden not getting intelligence briefings. More crap on obama and biden and their dirty tactics and their hollier than thou claims.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-had-been-getting-intelligence-briefings-contrary-to-what-transition-team-says-nunes/vi-BB1bfNjY?ocid=msedgntp

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posted 11-22-2020 10:42 PM      Profile for Tiptree   Email Tiptree   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Handy, I see your frustration.

But, as MH points out, this is not without evidence. Over 200 affidavits, which carry the penalty of perjury if found false, have been filed that swear there are serious issues with how the vote was handled. A very respected data scientist has pointed the near impossibility of the distribution of numbers (four different counties reported the exact same vote tallies for Trump and for Biden, the distribution of numbers is so skewed as to be 99.99999% impossible, etc.), vast surges of votes coming in during the early morning hours on Wednesday, almost 100% for Biden... and on and on).

There is way too much smoke for there not to be fire. And this fire would have to be arson.

Let the lawsuits play out. Hilary sued in 4 states in 2016 to contest election results. The media is pretending this is unprecedented. It most certainly is not.

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posted 11-23-2020 06:50 AM      Profile for handycat   Email handycat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tip, IMO, this is just another conspiracy theory put out by Trump. There have been numerous things he has said that created a lot of smoke but no fire. For example:

Obama birther conspiracy. (He later admitted this)
Ted Cruse’s father complicit in the JFK assassination.
Joe Scarborough Murder.
QAnon
Clinton Body count.
Wind turbines cause cancer.
Etc, etc, etc etc

There are people who believe everything Donald Trump says, I’m not one of them and I’m pretty sure you are not either.

We’re just going to have to disagree on this.

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posted 11-23-2020 12:43 PM      Profile for Tiptree   Email Tiptree   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Like they say about COVID, I am trusting the science on this one. The evidence is too massive to ignore.

I definitely ran into my academic ceiling with mathematics in graduate school, but I studied a LOT of math to get my physics degrees. There just isn't any way to account for the mathematical irregularities that have been reported without it being systematic fraud.

The problem is that the media is trying to decide the outcome of the election. That is not their role, and it never has been. We have valid systems in place, and we need to check into the allegations raised in the affidavits. The media is acting as if Trump's legal challenges are just the rants of a spoiled child, but they conveniently forget that Hillary did the same things that Trump's team is doing 4 years ago. Let the evidence be presented in the courts, and let the courts decide.

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posted 11-23-2020 03:13 PM      Profile for MountainMafia     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tip:
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The media is acting as if Trump's legal challenges are just the rants of a spoiled child, but they conveniently forget that Hillary did the same things that Trump's team is doing 4 years ago.
Maybe I didn't look in the right place, but I can't find any evidence that Hillary did what Trump is doing.

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Let the evidence be presented in the courts, and let the courts decide.
Me thinks there is no evidence to present. This was the most carefully watched election I can remember, mainly because of Trump's incessant and ridiculous claims of voter fraud before we even had an election.

The states knew what was coming after the election if Trump lost and they took extra precautions to ensure a legitimate elections.

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posted 11-23-2020 04:45 PM      Profile for Old Norm   Email Old Norm   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

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posted 11-23-2020 04:50 PM      Profile for MountainMafia     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Couldn't agree more, Norm.

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posted 11-23-2020 05:52 PM      Profile for Tiptree   Email Tiptree   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let the process go on. Your speculation, my speculation, Handy's disgust... make zero difference.

We will all find out in due time. And if we DON'T let the process fully complete, 50% of America will be ready for open rebellion. I don't any of us want that.

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posted 11-23-2020 06:30 PM      Profile for m hamilton   Email m hamilton   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Handy, you fail to mention that in turn, Obama was the responsible party behind the Russia collusion. He made a phone call to some people on Jan 15, '17 to have them go to the Trump tower and get the rumor spread about the Golden showers that SUPPOSEDLY happened in Russia years ago. He was also the person responsible for the possible spying on Trump and his team.

But Obama is the greatest leader since Adolph Hitler!

BHO is by far and away the worse President we've had in my lifetime! He started creating division as soon as he took office and to this very day he's still trying to create division!

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posted 11-23-2020 07:35 PM      Profile for handycat   Email handycat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey Mark, What am I missing here? Are you telling me that is ok for Trump to fail to turn over power in a timely manner because of something Obama did? That makes it ok? I didn’t mention Obama because he is not the one who is holding up a peaceful turn over of power. I NEVER voted for Obama. I did vote for Trump in the last election. Not proud of it but I did.

I don’t vote for any politician based on whether they have class or are likable. Which, IMO, Trump has neither.

Someone show me proof of massive election fraud that would change the outcome, and I will be screaming along with the rest this board.

I hope you don’t take this post as an attack on you, it’s not.

Tipis right, I’m disgusted.

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posted 11-23-2020 09:06 PM      Profile for Tiptree   Email Tiptree   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Trump today directed his agencies to begin the transfer, while continuing his legal challenges.

That is the right thing to do. No harm, no foul.

Let the process work.

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posted 11-23-2020 11:54 PM      Profile for Trey Ball   Email Trey Ball   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
handycat,

Here is a link to Tucker Carlson asking for the evidence:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-election-fraud

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posted 11-24-2020 04:59 AM      Profile for m hamilton   Email m hamilton   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Once again I will defer to an article done by PBS, which if I'm not mistaken, IS NOT a conservative media outlet. THe article was done back in October when they were investigating, which I've noticed that not only do media outlets now not investigate, nor mention since the election, weren't fraud proof, the Dominion voting machines. They actually show in the article how to open up the machine to alter outcomes of what was being input.

BHO even argued over matching signatures in '06 when he was running for his first term in office but that once again isn't mentioned because the media didn't want you to either hear it was going on, or didn't feel like it was important for you to hear.
The last I checked the Media doesn't decide an election until '20. Up to that year the electoral college did!

If anyone tells me they don't have a questioning attitude when the vote totals in some places are greater than the number of registered voters?

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Richard Spencer, White Supremisist endorses Joe Biden! No questions will be asked of him about this!

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posted 11-24-2020 07:01 AM      Profile for handycat   Email handycat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Trey, thanks for taking the time for finding this and posting. Kind of long but I watched it all. I admit it changed my opinion of Tucker Carlson for the better. I just wish he would take that continuous puzzled look off his face. 😀

The whole dialogue was interesting. What he said, or at least insinuated, about Sidney Powell was especially so. The Trump team must agree as they let her go. I had wrongly assumed she had quit.

mhamilton

https://www.reuters.c om/article/uk-factcheck-wisconsin-more-votes-regist/fact-checkwisconsin-did-not-have-more-votes-than-people-registered-idUSKBN27K2WU

Tip, I’m thrilled Trump has allowed the process to go forward. That’s all many of us have wanted. Investigate it to high heaven and if proof is found, show it and I will support it. What ever the outcome.

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Carson's demand for evidence is absurd. NO trial lawyer will tell a TV host what evidence they have in advance of the trial! Because Powell didn't comply with his juvenile demand, does that mean there is no evidence? Of course not!

Besides, I don't know what you all consider as "evidence",but these are alll staring you in the face:

* 200+ affidavits signed pointing out election fraud across many states. This isn't like going to a microphone and spouting lies. These carry penalties of jail time if found to be false.

* Many precincts with the number of votes being more that the number of eligible voters. Sometimes up to 3x more.

* Early-morning injections of hundreds of thousands of votes, all at once (clearly done electronically), and all for Biden.

* Refusal in key states to allow Republican observers anywhere near the vote counting. That is unprecedented.

* Several precincts reporting IDENTICAL numbers of votes for Biden (and for Trump). That is so statistically improbable as to be a sure sign of manipulated numbers (i.e., someone ran a program to change the numbers)

* Statistical analysis of the numbers across many states shows an almost impossible distribution. This is not obvious except to those who understand statistics, but it is indicative of manipulation of vote counts.

* Reports (and confirmation from insiders) that both Dominion software and Smartmatic software can be easily manipulated to ensure one person is the winner. Pay-to-play schemes (hinting that candidates from both parties are involved) is built in to the software. Remember, this software was developed to ensure that Hugo Chavez would never lose an election. Why are we using it in this country?

Sidney Powell was never on Trump's campaign as a lawyer, but her interests certainly align with trumps. I suspect that the reason Powell is running her investigation in parallel, but not part of Trump's legal team is because her focus is on the software and how it is used for fraud; I think she knows that both parties have paid to sway elections in the past, and thus her case will affect the Republican party. Trump is interested in showing how the Biden team cheated, whereas Powell is showing how the whole damn system is corrupt.

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It is not just a coincidence that nothing is being proved at this point. I think the info is being kept under wraps because there is a bigger day coming. If anyone doesn't believe the criminality of the dominion voting system then I've got a bridge in Arizona I would sell you.

My firm belief is the lawyers are waiting to drop their info until all the states are confirmed and then they will take it to the Supreme court. There they will prove the fallicies of the Dominion system that was used in 20+ states. If valid, this could affect other states that Biden won.

Next, the court throws the whole election out and sends it to the state legislatures where each state by law would get 1 vote per state. Last check showed that Republicans own more than 50% of the states. Thus Trump would be reelected.

This is the only seeable way for Trump to take back the presidency since I don't think that they can go back and show the exact ballots that were illegal.

This is a stretch of my insight and it may or may not happen. I shall wait and see where we go. Supreme court?? or Move on to 2024??

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I don’t have any inside scoop about the fraud that took place, but I have no doubt that it did. I do hope it is settled soon, one way or the other. I don’t blame Trump for doing everything in his power (legally) to ensure it was a fair election, but we’re getting close to crunch time.

I knew when mail-in voting was going to take place it was going to be as fraudulent as ever. Democrats will use any and all means necessary to gain power. Georgia had better be ready because it’s about to happen again.

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It wouldn't surprise me that the Dems win both races by a big margin. Why go for close races when you can cheat and win by big margins. This country is almost down the tubes already so why not make it unanimous.
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Tip:
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Besides, I don't know what you all consider as "evidence",but these are alll staring you in the face:

* 200+ affidavits signed pointing out election fraud across many states. This isn't like going to a microphone and spouting lies. These carry penalties of jail time if found to be false.

* Many precincts with the number of votes being more that the number of eligible voters. Sometimes up to 3x more.

* Early-morning injections of hundreds of thousands of votes, all at once (clearly done electronically), and all for Biden.

* Refusal in key states to allow Republican observers anywhere near the vote counting. That is unprecedented.

* Several precincts reporting IDENTICAL numbers of votes for Biden (and for Trump). That is so statistically improbable as to be a sure sign of manipulated numbers (i.e., someone ran a program to change the numbers)

* Statistical analysis of the numbers across many states shows an almost impossible distribution. This is not obvious except to those who understand statistics, but it is indicative of manipulation of vote counts.

* Reports (and confirmation from insiders) that both Dominion software and Smartmatic software can be easily manipulated to ensure one person is the winner. Pay-to-play schemes (hinting that candidates from both parties are involved) is built in to the software. Remember, this software was developed to ensure that Hugo Chavez would never lose an election. Why are we using it in this country?

Is all this stuff your opinion, Tip?

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Opinion? NO!

I am not surprised you have not heard any of this. The media is hush-hush, telling everyone that Biden is the president-elect (he isn't), and that there is "no evidence" of voter fraud.

What a crock. There is abundant evidence, and the evidence points to not just local officials putting their thumb on the scales, but a concerted, nationwide effort (well, at least in the "swing states").

This reeks to high heaven. And it is all out there, just not on CNN or NBC. You really should broaden your sources of news, my friend.

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You really should broaden your sources of news, my friend.
OK, I did and this is what I found.

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There is abundant evidence, and the evidence points to not just local officials putting their thumb on the scales, but a concerted, nationwide effort (well, at least in the "swing states").

I searched for this "evidence", I really did, but couldn't find any. Maybe you can help me out?

BTW, I don't believe that demanding evidence of wrongdoing is "absurd" nor "juvenile"...it's common sense.

Also, I, along with 80 million other Americans, believe that Joe Biden actually IS the president-elect.

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The first link correctly pointed out that the many precincts listed in the affidavit as being at or over 100% were in Minnesota, not Michigan. So? Wherever such anomalies occur, they must be investigated!

Look, the small staff of people doing the interviews for the affidavits, looking into procedural violations, etc., are tasked with looking across the country. This is a glaring error, but note very carefully that the Times did not dispute the reality that so many precincts, in whatever state, clearly show evidence of vote tampering.

The second link goes to a paper I am unfamiliar with, but the front-page headlines include "Count Spears: Britney Spear Jokes She Looks like a Vampire...", and "Cherry Sexy: Kim Kardashian Shows Off Curves...". And, all the article tries to do is claim that some of the affidavits are making claims that some poll workers are far leftists. So what? Those clearly won't make it to court. It only takes a few serious charges to win. Spurious witnesses and affidavits are part-and-parcel of any court case.

The third link claims to debunk the claim that "in some states, many more ballots were counted than there are registered voters". While Trump did tweet this, nobody on his legal team has actually made that claim. They claim that in some precincts, this is the case. Not the entire state. As with most "fact checkers", this site finds a red-herring to debunk, but ignores the wider issue.

In fact, all of the remaining links were to similar articles. MM, you can clearly see that in these murky matters, people will find what they are looking for. If you want to believe Biden won fair and square, you will find ways to nit-pick the charges being levied that the election is full of fraud. If you believe that there is indeed evidence of fraud, then you will find that evidence to support your beliefs. This is called "confirmation bias", and we all suffer from it.

However, my concern is not so much about who wins this election. My concern is about the processes and the security of our vote. I think that case is still open, and should be pursued long after whomever is declared the official winner in December.

One thing to remember. The "motto" of the Democratic party for the last decade or more has been "never let a crisis go to waste". I submit that abuses to our freedoms and how we vote have been, and continue to be promulgated in the name of "safety" from COVID. I know full well where you stand on this matter, and I think you know where I stand on it as well. But never before have we usurped so many of the protections and safeguards of our vote to protect us from potentially getting sick. And that concerns me greatly.

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Oh, one more thing. Yes, it is absurd and juvenile to demand evidence prior to the evidentiary hearing for ANY court case. Especially on national TV. That shows either an inflated ego (likely), or a complete misunderstanding of how civil cases are brought to trial.

Tucker Carlson is at his best when he can express outrage. But in this case, he is completely without standing to demand evidence.

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