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Old Norm
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posted 11-10-2020 09:31 PM
I made this reply to MM in the ghost town thread in General Chat, but it is probably better suited for here.
MM: I would ask my democrat kids, but I can't stand the thought of them not speaking to me, but what specifically did Mr Trump do or not do, that you find so offensive? Please be specific, and not just "he lied" like the aforementioned offspring would say. The only "mess" I can think of is the Covid 19, which he had absolutely nothing to do with. In fact, had he not blocked travel to and from China, it would be dramatically worse. The NY governor is responsible for far more deaths than the POTUS is.
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posted 11-11-2020 07:54 AM
Norm, I’m not M&M but I feel l’m qualified to answer your question “what did Mr Trump do or not do, that you find so offensive. Please be specific.”
First of all, your question does not address policies but specific behavior. My son and I held our nose and voted for Trump as did my wife. My daughter would never vote Republican but likes and respects many who are of the conservative agenda.
My grandchildren are liberal and I’m sure they all voted as such. They all would have preferred someone much more liberal than Joe Biden. We may not like it, but our country is becoming younger and browner and will eventually become an overwhelmingly liberal nation, no matter what us dinosaurs want. Unfortunately it may be worse than that. At least that is my opinion.
Specific’s as to why my family and I detest Donald Trump?
I’ll start with his taped remarks about women. He just walks up and grabs them by the pu**y because he is a rock star and he can. Just the worst of many examples of how Trump feels about women.
He denigrate’s our veterans in the worst possible way. John McCain is one example. Whether you like Senator McCain or not, He certainly did not deserve to be talked about like that before and “after” his death. Other examples of his feelings about how veterans are “losers and stupid” may or may not be true. As Trump went to extremes to avoid the draft and none of his family have served in the military, I lean toward him saying all of the remarks attributed to him about our military.
He lies viciously about anyone who disagrees with him. Does anyone really believe Ted Cruz’s father was complicit in the JFK assassination? That is just the start of the many many lies Trump has told while in office.
This post is already way too long and I don’t have the time or desire to list all of them.
What I think would be a better question is for Trump fans to list all the things they like about Trump. Not policies, specific actions and behaviors that you would like “your children and grandchildren to possess.”
Please, please don’t tell me he loves his country. Or if so, give me examples. Not accepting his salary does not qualify IMO. He is not the first to do that and the rest of our presidents paid taxes as far as I know.
One last thing and I’ll shut up.
Conservatives everywhere should put Joe Biden on their prayer list. It could get a lot worse real quick
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posted 11-11-2020 10:24 AM
I did vote for Trump this election. I do not like his vulgar speech, but I do like his political values.
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posted 11-11-2020 12:00 PM
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but our country is becoming younger and browner and will eventually become an overwhelmingly liberal nation, no matter what us dinosaurs want.
First of all, let's be clear on our terminology. "Liberal", in the traditional meaning of the word, means free markets, individual liberty, and tolerance. In other words, "liberal" values are actually conservative values. Like many words, it has been redefined to mean "leftist". This is a common tactic of the left. For another example, "gay" used to mean "happy".
The problem with your line of thought as expressed in the quote is the assumption that "browner" means "more leftist". While the left has claimed that they speak for people of color, a surprising number of blacks and latinos voted for Trump. I think we, as "dinosaurs", have an obligation to be loud, and vocal defenders of traditional liberalism, of conservative values, and of the incredible nation that was crafted by our forefathers. Most of those "brown" people that came in the last 150 years or so came BECAUSE of those values. And we, the dinosaurs, have allowed the conversation to be hijacked by leftists.
There is no inherent reason why blacks, browns, and whites would not prefer liberty, free markets, and limited government.
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posted 11-11-2020 03:24 PM
HC ... so it is wrong for President Trump to grab a lady (which I agree with) but it is ok for creepy Joe to grab a hold of ladies and female children and smell their hair and hug them tight when it shows in the faces and actions that they are very uncomfortable with him holding them ??? He has also been accused of doings and saying things to ladies who worked for him but the media has not pushed it like they have the conservative people that have been accused.
I like President Trump because he doesn't care if you are a dem or rep he wants things done right. He pushes their buttons and yes he does use langauge that isn't the best but so did Patton and MacArthur ... he gets things done and sometimes good bedside manners are not the best way to do that.
Biden has lied over and over but no ones seems to remember that.
As far as pray for him I will do that (I always pray for our country and our President). But I don't think I will have to pray for him for 4 years. I will be totally surprised if he lasts 1 year and at most 2 before Harris becomes President. That is one lady that slept her way to the top in California (see Willie Brown). So no I have absolutely no respect for her. She also accused Biden of being a rascist which some of the things he has done show that, but then he selects her for his VP ??? I do not understand that other than I think he was told that is what he had to do by others. If the dems win the senate then we are headed for hell in a hand basket quick in my opinion !!!
I don't like everything President Trump does or says but he is his own man, no one tells him what he is going to do. He is also is the first President (at least in a long, long time) that didn't declare a war during his term.
Watch out and don't ***** when our taxes go up and we are paying more and more taxes for things we do not want to and should not pay for, example illegals.
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posted 11-11-2020 05:43 PM
My biggest reason for voting for Trump the first time and the second time. I'M READY FOR A CHANGE!!! I'M TIRED OF LIFE ONG POLITICIANS FILLING THEIR POCKETS AND NOT WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE THE REPRESENT!
Every one knows what I know, as long as our government leaders get to set their own pay scale, do illegal things that the common man can't do! There needs to be term limits in Washington! From Pelosi and Schumer, to McConnell and many others!
Biden has been in Washington for over 50 years if he lives the length of his term as president!
THat's 25 years too long!
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posted 11-11-2020 06:02 PM
I agree mh ... but it is 50 years too long for Biden. Term limits need to be set and stop the full pay retirement they get. You are a representative or senetor for one term and you are set for life with full pay retirement !!! That ain't right !!! I retired after 29 years and got maybe 70%.
If term limits are good enough for the President and Govenors then it is good enough for congress !!! I would suggest 2 maybe 3 terms and that is it, and no retirment benefits !!! They also get the same medical care every other citizen gets !!!
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posted 11-11-2020 06:18 PM
That's also the reason why they treat Social Security the way they do. It doesn't effect them!
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posted 11-11-2020 07:21 PM
Yep and want to take it away ... we paid into it for years. Of course giving it to illegals is A-OK with them !!! ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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posted 11-12-2020 08:08 AM
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking in the Ghost town post in the general board. Hopefully there will be social security left for you older guys to have after the next 4 years.
Not only that but hopefully my 401k won't be halved by a socialist Regime!
Increasing the cost of living will close more small businesses than before. Just think you'll be able to spend $10 for a Big Mac.
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posted 11-12-2020 08:24 AM
Norm:
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what specifically did Mr Trump do or not do, that you find so offensive? Please be specific, and not just "he lied"
I hope you don't believe that Trump's incessant lying is unimportant and just "Trump being Trump" (whatever that means). It's not, my friend. What the POTUS says and does can be the difference between life and death for some people.
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The only "mess" I can think of is the Covid 19, which he had absolutely nothing to do with. In fact, had he not blocked travel to and from China, it would be dramatically worse.
I agree that he had absolutely nothing to do with covid....and he continues to have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Besides, if he did such a good job why did he lie about it, even to this day?....telling Woodward it was "deadly stuff" while telling the American people it was going to magically disappear. I will give him credit, though, he got it half right.
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posted 11-12-2020 11:19 AM
There you go again. Once again, you said "he told incessant lies", but once again, no specifics. Just tell me ONE lie he told that directly affected ANY of us. Compare it to the good things he has accomplished. If you'd like for me to list some of them, I, and many others on this message board, can provide them for you. I can also list some of the damage Mister Biden can and will do.
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posted 11-12-2020 11:34 AM
But on the same token it's OK for JB to lie because he really didn't mean it. Up to and including almost (HE should have) getting thrown out of LAW SCHOOL for plagerizing!
He'll also plagerize the fact that he's responsible for the vaccine used for this Covid 19! Once he does, we'll all already know that he's lying through his pearly white teeth!
Just like Joe not being the racist that he is! Everyone knows there's proof of that! But hey, he's going to save the world! after he gives ours back away!
Better brush up on my Chinese!
By the way if your power goes out, they're just rolling blackouts. Not a big deal, California is already used to it, so while you are forced to stay at home again, the power goes out you can thank your lucky stars the right man is in charge!
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posted 11-12-2020 11:57 AM
Norm:
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Just tell me ONE lie he told that directly affected ANY of us.
Re-read my above post.
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If you'd like for me to list some of them, I, and many others on this message board, can provide them for you. I can also list some of the damage Mister Biden can and will do.
Please do.
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posted 11-12-2020 01:01 PM
I forgot to mention Joe said," You're taxes aren't going up unless you make over $400k"
Everyone do a screen shot of that one. It's the typical tax and spend that the Democrats are known for!
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posted 11-12-2020 01:22 PM
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It's the typical tax and spend that the Democrats are known for!
As opposed to the Republican approach...give Trillion dollar tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy but still spend like a lottery winner.
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posted 11-12-2020 02:06 PM
What exactly do those corporations do with that tax cut? Hire middle class people to create products therefor lowering unemployment which is exactly what happened, but after
"There's uncle Joe he's a moving kinda slow at the junction! Petti coat junction,"
is finished with it those people can forgo their jobs to the illegal Mexicans that we are going to allow to cross the border once again, not that they'll be carrying the virus or anything with them!
Either that or we'll move the jobs back over to China where they belong so that Uncle Joe and Hunter can find a way to put money back into their accounts because Hiding Hunter has a drug habit that has to be fed! Only this time Joe and Hunter won't have to travel on Air Force Two to work out these multimillion dollar deals, they'll get to fly on Air Force One ! WOOHOO!
Should the Logan Act come into play here? Asking for a friend! What's the statute of limitations on a QUID PRO QUO? One of those happened when he was Barry's b1tch!
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posted 11-12-2020 02:44 PM
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give Trillion dollar tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy but still spend like a lottery winner.
Two different issues here. First, the "tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy". MH pointed out (correctly) that those tax cuts spurred both amazing GDP economic growth and record low unemployment (including chronically unemployed sub-groups like blacks and latinos). That is the fundamental principle of free-market fiscal policy. As more people are employed, and the economy thrives, tax revenues will go up.
Contrast that with Bidens plan, which is to raise taxes on corporations and the rich*. That will have the opposite effect, putting a severe drag on economic growth, and leading to lower employment in the future. It SOUNDS good to "raise taxes" to pay for programs. But the reality is that it brings in short-term revenue but takes away from future revenue. That is just basic economics.
A word about the "rich". Biden claims (falsely) that he will lower taxes for lower and middle class taxpayer, and raise them on those who make over $400,000 per year. That will not be enough to even remotely cover his proposed spending. And by raising taxes on the rich, that will cause capital flight -- money that is now flowing into US capital markets and into startups will go offshore. That is just a fact. And, if it continues, the rich themselves will move out of the country. That is just basic human behavior. If you want less of something, tax it. If you want more of something, incentivize it.
Now, as to "spend like a lottery winner", you are being a little disingenuous here. COVID "rescue packages" are mostly to blame here, along with increases in military spending. If you think either of those are unnecessary, just let me know. And if you take a look at Biden's irresponsible spending proposals, "spending like a lottery winner" will be wholly inadequate to describe it. More like a drunken lottery winner with a huge line of credit at the bank and lots of credit cards too.
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posted 11-12-2020 04:11 PM
Amen Tip !!!
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posted 11-12-2020 04:15 PM
One of Trumps campaign promises was to eliminate the National Debt within 8 years.
After 3 years our National Debt had increased significantly “before” the pandemic. That happened in spite of the booming economy. Yes, Trump played a significant part in that economic boom and should rightly be given the credit for it. In spite of this, our debt continued to increase
Yes, Military spending was part of that increase. Again, I agree with Trump, this needed to be done regardless of the Debt.
However, the steep revenue loss from tax cuts and other financial benefits given primarily to corporations and the wealthy had an adverse impact on our National Debt. At least that’s my opinion.
I believe that increasing our revenue through a booming economy is not the entire answer. Someone has to have large enough testicle’s to cut spending. IMO, that person has not arrived on the scene.
If Trump had stayed in office for 8 years, I believe our National Debt would have continued to increase as it did pre-pandemic. I ABSOLUTELY do not have prove of that. No where near as much as it would have under Hiliary, but still an increase.
One of my few policy complaints about Trump was his willingness to spend our money.
I would like to live long enough to see the debt stabilize. I’ve given up on seeing it eliminated.
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posted 11-12-2020 04:36 PM
Handy,
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One of Trumps campaign promises was to eliminate the National Debt within 8 years.
Key correction: Eliminate the deficit.
Key point: Within 8 years. More on this below.
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After 3 years our National Debt had increased significantly before the pandemic. That happened in spite of the booming economy. Yes, Trump played a significant part in that economic boom and should rightly be given the credit for it. In spite of this, our debt continued to increase
Yes, Military spending was part of that increase. Again, I agree with Trump, this needed to be done regardless of the Debt.
Tax cuts = larger deficits initially. Less revenue for sure. Glad you agree that the military spending was necessary. More on that below.
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However, the steep revenue loss from tax cuts and other financial benefits given primarily to corporations and the wealthy had an adverse impact on our National Debt. At least that’s my opinion.
I believe that increasing our revenue through a booming economy was and is not the entire answer. Someone has to have large enough testicle’s to cut spending. IMO, that person has not arrived on the scene as yet.
As mentioned before, tax increases sound oh-so-reasonable, because they result in immediate increase in revenue... just not as much as one might believe (taxpayers, especially the "rich", have options to shelter some or all of their income, all legal, and in fact, all encouraged). Whereas tax cuts "for the wealthy and those evil corporations" sound bad. But those tax cuts WOULD have grown tax revenues over the course of 8 years. Whether that would have been enough to eliminate the deficit is of some doubt, but it would have certainly done more than Biden's plan ever could do.
BTW, it really doesn't require big testicles to cut the federal budget. It would require cutting the very things that the government SHOULD be spending money on. All of the "discretionary spending" are for things like the military, other federal agencies, etc. And Trump DID cut some of those budgets (not the military, which is by far the largest). There just isn't much wiggle room in the federal budget for significant cuts without slicing our military budget.
Why is that? Because MOST of the budget is not discretionary, it is some form of entitlement program. And those are slated to automatically increase, year after year, with no option to slash them. Well, unless you actually eliminate things like welfare, social security, medicare, etc. But that is political suicide.
As I said, I agree with almost all of Trumps decisions -- cut taxes, increase military spending, reduce some discretionary budgetary items, reduce our exposure in the middle east and afganistan, broker a peace deal in the middle east, pivot our military to confront an expansionist China, cut out unfavorable trade and other international deals (the Paris Accord, the Iran Nuclear deal, the TPP), force China to play fair in trade, and lean on NATO to pull its own weight.
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posted 11-12-2020 04:47 PM
The only "lie" I could find when I "reread" your post was something Bob Woodward said he told him. You do realize, don't you, that Bob Woodward hates his guts almost as much, if not more, than you do? He may well have said that to Woodward, but if I have to believe one of them, it certainly would not be Bob Woodward. All I remember him saying about it was, we should have a vaccine by the end of the year. Doesn't look like that was a lie.
The last time I tried to talk to my college educated daughter about why she hates Donald Trump, her reply was "Because he said grab a woman by the P_____!" I said "Well, he said he could do it. Bill Clinton actually DID it." She screamed into the phone, "I'm not defending Bill Clinton!" I said, "Well, you voted for his wife." She hung up on me.
As for the accomplishments, he rebuilt the military that Obama/Biden had decimated. Had the lowest unemployment ever for blacks and Latinos. Lowest unemployment since WWII for women. Record highs for the stock market. I could go on and on but you would not agree with a word I say.
As far as him or his kids going to jail, surely you jest. If anybody should go to jail, Hunter Biden should lead the parade, with his Daddy right behind him. Surely you have not heard about their shenanigans they pulled in China, Ukraine and with the Mayor of Moscow's wife!
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posted 11-12-2020 05:14 PM
Tip, you’re going to have to help me with this. I’m not sure what the difference is between debt and deficit is when it talking about the National Debt. I’m probably too dense to see it. By the way I found articles where one would say debt and the other deficit.
As for your other key point about 8 years. I tried to indicate, evidently with out success, that my opinion’s were based on the majority of his tenure in office prior to the pandemic.
Actually, when I think about it, it’s all a moot point. The pandemic happened and Trump was not re-elected. He may yet get his 8 years in office but he will have to win in 2024. By then I fear our debt will be so large that even Donald Trump would not make such an outrageous claim.
OK Tip, I asked my wife what the difference was between “debt and deficit” when talking about the National debt. She did a good job of explaining it to me. I never was too sharp but it’s been quickly going down hill lately. No need to explain. However I did find articles where he supposedly said both.
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posted 11-12-2020 05:31 PM
Dear Mr. Biden,
Although I refused to listen to it, I understand that during your presidential acceptance speech, you were calling for the unity of Trump supporters. I remember four years ago my President Trump also called for unity. I remember how Congressional members of your Democratic Party responded by boycotting his inauguration. I remember how you and your Democratic party cheated and used the greatest law enforcement institution of this country to spy on my President Trump's campaign. I remember how you and your Democratic Party created a fake Russian dossier to try and impeach my President Trump. I remember how your speaker of the house ripped up my President Trump's beautiful State of the Union speech on National TV. I remember how you and your Democratic Party tried to impeach my President Trump over a Ukraine phone call. You accused my President Trump of pay to play. Come to find out Joe, it was really you and your son Hunter. I remember how you and your Democratic Party blamed my President Trump over a pandemic that he had nothing to do with. I remember how you and your Democratic Party encouraged rioting and looting of my great United States of America. I remember how you and your Democratic Party used the media to spread lie after lie about my President Trump. I remember how you and your Democratic Party stole the election from my President Trump. This Trump supporter remembers all that Joe and will NOT be unifying with your Democratic Party. This Trump supporter will be giving you the same respect you gave my President Trump.
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posted 11-12-2020 05:40 PM
I'm with ukcatfannfl. I pray to the father above that there's no way in the world GA senate races go to the Dems. If those 2 senate races are lost to the Dems our country will never be the same again! EVER!!!
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posted 11-12-2020 05:43 PM
There should be no reason in the world that anyone who would claim to move to GA between now and the run off election should be allowed to move their voting rights to the state of Georgia in order to steal an election!
Anyone who is already a legal voter in the state of GA should have every right to cast a vote in the run off election, not someone who claims they've recently moved there. If they weren't there by Nov 3rd, then sorry. They can vote in the primaries in the spring, if there are any!
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posted 11-12-2020 05:59 PM
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There should be no reason in the world that anyone who would claim to move to GA between now and the run off election should be allowed to move their voting rights to the state of Georgia in order to steal an election!
Anyone who is already a legal voter in the state of GA should have every right to cast a vote in the run off election, not someone who claims they've recently moved there. If they weren't there by Nov 3rd, then sorry. They can vote in the primaries in the spring, if there are any!
Completely agree.
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posted 11-12-2020 07:14 PM
Handy, glad the wife edumacated you on "debt" vs. "deficit".
For those who may be in doubt, the deficit is how much the government spends beyond its income in a given year. The debt is the total of all the deficits, from year zero to today.
In personal terms, the deficit is how much you add to your credit card; the debt is your total balance.
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posted 11-13-2020 07:16 AM
Tip, if I understand you and my wife’s explanation of deficit versus debt regarding his campaign promise, Trump was promising to stop adding to the National Debt within 8 years. Can that be right?
If he did say deficit rather than debt, that is not only ambiguous but misleading. At least IMO.
Then again, maybe lowering the debt are not that important in to him.
Maybe I’m overthinking this, I’ve been know to do so.
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posted 11-13-2020 11:03 AM
Yes. If his plan was successful, and tax revenues grew faster than spending over the eight years he projected, then eventually the deficit would be is eliminated. No deficit means there will be nothing added to the debt.
Note that since time immemorial, only once has there been no deficit. That was when Newt Gingrich pushed his "Contract with America" program, and Bill Clinton went along with it (and took credit for it). It lasted one, maybe two years, and then ZOOOM! The deficit took off yet again.
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posted 11-13-2020 03:14 PM
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The only "lie" I could find when I "reread" your post was something Bob Woodward said he told him.
It was Trump's words, coming from Trump's mouth using Trump's voice....recorded on audio by Woodward....with Trump's knowledge and permission.
Trump lied to the American people about the worse public health disaster in a 100 years, including you, Norm.
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posted 11-13-2020 03:45 PM
That's OK, MM. Joe is going to swoop in and save the day! He couldn't tell a lie if he wanted too. Just ask him!
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posted 11-13-2020 04:53 PM
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That's OK, MM. Joe is going to swoop in and save the day!
I wish he could, Mark.
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posted 11-13-2020 05:42 PM
I do too MM, but he can't even put a conherant sentence together !!!
He won't be in office more than 1 maybe 2 years & we will have the lady that slept her way to the top at the top !!! ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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posted 11-13-2020 05:53 PM
Joe Biden’s oratory skills compared to Donald Trump??? Surely you jest. I’ll take Trump’s policies over Biden, but coherent sentences?
Trump was by far the worst presidential speaker in my life time.
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posted 11-13-2020 07:03 PM
I don't jest ... Biden can't even complete a sentence and when he does he says the wrong things. Have you ever watched his pod casts from his basement ??? He is losing it fast.
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posted 11-13-2020 08:37 PM
"I wish he could, Mark"
MM exactly what does Biden have to do to correct the wrath of Trump's four yrs.
Perhaps stop building the wall so another 20M or so of illegals can come in and become citizens and get a big payday at my and your expense?
Stop fracking of oil so gas prices can go up above 2.00 like in his previous administration?
Stop even attempting to make China pay tariffs so they can own the United States?
Get back in the climate accords - the ones that Trump pulled out of and the Senate would not have voted for it in any event?
Use fake dossiers to get rid of his rivals like he and his democratic collogues did with Trump?
Bury any inquires about his crooked Son Hunter with Russians, Chinese and Ukraine's?
Use any future stimulus payments to bail out the democratic governors who misused their state funds for anything other than preparing for a future pandemic . i.e. New York?
Allow the democratic controlled state governors to continue allow rioting in their streets and continue to make efforts to defund the police?
To continue with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and add troops as Trump was/is in the process of drawing down and out of the middle east?
To stop supporting voter abuse in democratic states like PA and sayin he won the election fair and square. ?
Destroy all files which prove how corrupt the FBI is and make sure the senior officials are never held accountable for attempting to bring down a sitting president?
for good measure make sure all illegal folks have free health care at taxpaying americans expense?
yep he has his work cut out for him - at least until his VP can take over and implement AOC's new green deal which will really keep the democrats busy!
You elected him - now be happy and live with him as you watch this country goes from prosperous to a socialist country with democrats in power forever!
p.s. if the two senators from ga become democrats then it will happen sooner than later!
Stand up and be proud all democrats!!
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posted 11-14-2020 07:58 AM
You left out the part where said Democrat governors expect the government to rebuild said cities they allowed to be destroyed! But hey, it's a great day if you want a hand out!
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