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m hamilton
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posted 08-17-2020 07:58 PM
Who do you think will be the official presidential candidate for the Democratic party when November 3rd rolls around!
Something tells me that JB is only filling space for the time being! I don't know why, other than the fact that he doesn't remember from 1 day to another what is really going on!
THE Obama's still run the party, is Michelle going to be pushed into the presidential position before the week is through?
THey surely don't want Kamala (the Ugandan Giant, I had to throw that in there) ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) Running the country if by some chance the Liberal, left wing, over the top party happen to win the election at the Presidential Position!
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I still can't believe some people believed that LIAR!!!
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posted 08-17-2020 08:25 PM
I think it will be Biden. I really a. Not sure how the process works but at this late stage I think it would be very difficult to replace him.
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posted 08-17-2020 11:42 PM
If Biden wins the nomination, and then he resigns for "health reasons" before the election, the party bosses will replace him with the candidate of their choice.
I would say, oh, about mid-September...
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posted 08-17-2020 11:51 PM
So will it be M. Obamy, H. Clintony, or some other crazy person ???
I actually think he will be (if nominated by the people) the President for a very short time and then hand it over or they will declare him incompetent.
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posted 08-18-2020 04:40 AM
I can save them the trouble and already call him incompetent!
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posted 08-18-2020 06:24 AM
There's other conspiracy theories also.
Like the one where the current Mob boss-In-Chief resigns before the election because he was unable to suppress voter turnout by sabotaging the USPS, and, therefore, realizes he's going to be shamefully defeated.
We all know how he hates losers....the traitorous confederacy not included, of course. So, The King resigns, Pence jumps in to quickly pardon him of all present and future crimes and investigations (SDNY) to shield him from going to prison.
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posted 08-18-2020 02:15 PM
Do you feel comfortable with Biden as the POTUS, MM?
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posted 08-18-2020 03:14 PM
Sounds good to me MM !!!
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posted 08-18-2020 06:33 PM
~I like dreaming, cause dreaming can make you mine!~
I don't see very many scenarios that puts Joe "there are 3 letters in jobs" Biden!
The Democratic party hated Kamala the Ugandan Giant so much that she couldn't even render 3% of the Democratic vote,
As far as the USPS goes, they announced this week that the ballots may not even arrive on time for the election! But thankfully Pelosi is more interested in the USPS than her own people in her region! Is anyone surprised with that?
She has to skip her Botox in order to miss part of her vacation and return to Washington DC where she should be in the first place.. She's being paid too much money to sit at home and eat her ice cream!
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posted 08-18-2020 06:37 PM
THe AP itself even discredited Michael Obama on his/her speech last night. She was going on about the cages that the Mexican children are placed in, yet an AP photo shows that some of Barry's own are walking through a Border Patrol station in 2014, yet she claims that Trump is putting children in cages, LONG AFTER HER HUBBY DID!
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posted 08-18-2020 06:41 PM
MIchelle knows character, while I'm on the subject. It was wonderful seeing the video today of Michelle introducing a man of great character, "the Man we are all here to celebrate today, a man who made it all possible for everyone here,
"Ladies and Gentlemen, I present you Harvey Weinstien!"
Yeah, she sure knows a quality character when she see one! WOW!!!
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posted 08-19-2020 08:38 AM
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Do you feel comfortable with Biden as the POTUS, MM?
I don't get all warm and fuzzy thinking about Biden. There are republicans I would strongly consider voting for over Biden such as Romney, Toomey, and Rubio.
To me, this is a character election and not a policy election. Say what you will about Biden with some justification, but I think he his an honorable and decent man, a man that has experienced the tragedies and hardships that life throws at many of us every day.
He won't cuddle up to brutal dictators while dissing our allies, and even our own intel agencies on the world stage. We have fewer friends and stronger enemies than ever before.
He doesn't cheat on his wives with porn stars, or pay hush money to keep them quiet.
He doesn't openly lie to the American people every time he opens his mouth.
He hasn't had to pay $millions to settle lawsuits for fraud.
He won't fire and humiliate everyone who disagrees with him.
He won't replace watchdogs with lapdogs.
He won't invite or strong arm foreign governments to interfere with our elections.
He won't put up with Putin putting bounties on American soldiers.
He won't run and hide from a global pandemic that has, so far, infected over 5 million Americans while killing over 170,000 and "take no responsibility at all."
There are better choices than Biden, Tip....but Donald Trump is not one of them.
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posted 08-19-2020 01:29 PM
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To me, this is a character election and not a policy election.
You have really opened up a can of worms if you want to talk about character. But before getting into this, let me remind you that elections have consequences. It IS a policy election, and a very, very stark choice is presented to us. Biden has moved decisively to the left, and is unabashedly socialist today. If you elect Biden on his supposed "character" superiority, you are de-facto accepting that the "character" of the United States will change as well.
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Say what you will about Biden with some justification, but I think he his an honorable and decent man, a man that has experienced the tragedies and hardships that life throws at many of us every day.
I think anybody who reaches a certain age has experienced tragedies and hardships. And I think that "honorable and decent" is not a label that I could pin on any politician today. So, I don't see much of an argument here. In fact, like any businessman, Trump has had to deal with failure, and the subsequent rebound, much more than a career politician. I submit that Trump's life experience makes him a far better executive than Biden. Biden is a superior politician; Trump is a superior executive. Which do you want?
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He won't cuddle up to brutal dictators while dissing our allies, and even our own intel agencies on the world stage. We have fewer friends and stronger enemies than ever before.
Woah. While Trump was accused (wrongly) of misdeeds in Ukraine, Biden worked a deal to get his son a very, very highly compensated seat on the board of one of the most corrupt companies in the world, in one of the most corrupt nations in the world. I know Ukraine very well; I have friends both living there and who have fled from there. And I have visited the country three times. I speak enough Russian to get a feel for the way people there think. Ukraine represents the worst of the old Soviet states. Pseudo-democracy, oligarchs, deep corruption, and capricious government mandates. During the current coronavirus, Ukrainians cannot be outside without their "papers"... they must carry their passport with them. Just like the old Soviet days.
So, don't tell me Biden hasn't coddled up to dictators for personal profit, my friend. He most certainly has.
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He doesn't cheat on his wives with porn stars, or pay hush money to keep them quiet.
Certainly, he has not had any affairs made public, but I am fairly sure that his inability to keep his hands off of women in public indicates a man who plays around.
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]He doesn't openly lie to the American people every time he opens his mouth.
Let me remind you of the old adage: "When can you tell that a politician is lying? When he moves his lips". Biden says what he is told to say, and if you think otherwise, you aren't paying attention.
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He hasn't had to pay $millions to settle lawsuits for fraud.
Settling lawsuits does not imply admission of guilt. That isn't how our system works. And being sued is part-and-parcel of being a successful businessman. This is completely a non-sequitur.
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He won't fire and humiliate everyone who disagrees with him.
Yep. This is a trait of Trump that really gets under my skin. But I will take this in order to keep America strong and free, to have some hope of resisting the slide to ever larger and more intrusive nanny state.
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He won't replace watchdogs with lapdogs.
EVERY president appoints lapdogs, whether to be passive overseers or agents of change. We can have a broader discussion on the limits and purposes of government later, which is what underlies this comment.
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He won't invite or strong arm foreign governments to interfere with our elections.
And Trump has? What non-sense is this????
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He won't put up with Putin putting bounties on American soldiers.
How is Trump culpable in this???? And what will the Mighty Joe Biden do about it? Not much. We cannot control what Russia does. Heck, we can't control what Liechtenstein does. Trump has slapped sanction after sanction on Russia. Other than war, what do you suggest?
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He won't run and hide from a global pandemic that has, so far, infected over 5 million Americans while killing over 170,000 and "take no responsibility at all."
Quite frankly, I am getting weary of this subject. Let me remind you only that we are a Federal Republic, in which powers not specifically reserved for the Federal Government are delegated to the states. It really ISN'T Trump's responsibility to deal with the Corona Virus; that lies with the Governors. But Trump did mobilize whatever federal assistance he could.
Finally, let me make this very clear. Biden's election, coupled with a democratic house and senate, will almost certainly move us decisively and irreversibly to a socialist state. I would abhor that; we would no longer resemble what our founding fathers hoped to create.
I will vote, and hope that enough Americans with similar hopes for our future vote with me. But I am not like all the mamby-pamby liberals who routinely threaten to move to Canada (but never do) every time a Republican is elected president. I have lived through many democrat presidents that I fundamentally disagree with.
But this time really is different. This time the promise to "fundamentally transform America" will cross a threshold that I would never have thought possible. Obama and Pelosi ramrodded through Obamacare in such a way that shocked me to my very core. And that was merely prelude to what is to come. I hope for all of our sake, including yours, MM, that Biden and his socialist agenda is soundly defeated.
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posted 08-19-2020 02:10 PM
Tip, you’ve said on more than one occasion that you believe Trump wants to be King. At least that’s what I remember and that is what I’ve always believed. That scares the hell out of me. Do you no longer feel that way? Not trying to pick a fight here but I’m really curious if you have changed your mind.
I’ve said many times, I will vote for Trump but only because his stated political beliefs align more closely with mine. That still does not change my opinion that he is not an honorable man. He should attack the issues, not everyone who disagree with him. I know, I know, he’s attacked all the time and he is a counter puncher. He’s also a jerk.
Character wise, I’ll take Biden every time. Not only can I not vote for him because of political differences, I really believe his hiding in the basement strategy may be an indication of some cognitive issues.
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posted 08-19-2020 02:51 PM
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It IS a policy election, and a very, very stark choice is presented to us. Biden has moved decisively to the left, and is unabashedly socialist today.
And Trump has moved decisively to the right, and is unabashedly far-right extremist today.
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While Trump was accused (wrongly) of misdeeds in Ukraine,
Even the Senate admitted Trump offered a quid pro quo to the Ukrainian president, just that it didn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense..Huh?
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Certainly, he has not had any affairs made public, but I am fairly sure that his inability to keep his hands off of women in public indicates a man who plays around.
Sniffing a woman's hair in public, for which he has since apologized, is hardly equivalent to screwing a porn star less than a month after your wife has given birth...maybe that's why Melania renegotiated her per-nup before she would move into the WH...Oh, and that's just one of Trump's wives he's screwed over. One of them even accused him of rape.
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o, don't tell me Biden hasn't coddled up to dictators for personal profit, my friend. He most certainly has.
You, of course, do have proof? Nobody else does that I know of.
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Settling lawsuits does not imply admission of guilt.
Really? what does it imply? Trump is not the kind of person that hands out $Millions as the "price of doing business"...not if he can beat you out of it.
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EVERY president appoints lapdogs,
Not when the watchdogs they are replacing are investigating him or one of his cronies.
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And Trump has? What non-sense is this????
Have you read the latest Senate Intelligence Committee's report? And the fact he publicly invited China to investigate Biden.
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How is Trump culpable in this????
Well, he is C-I-C, he could at least mention it to Putin and warn him of severe consequences if true, which he has openly admitted he has not done, although they have had several conversations since he was briefed on it.
When told that Russia is supporting and supplying the Taliban in Afghanistan against American troops. His reply..."We did it too". Don't go too far there Donnie boy...don't want to piss off your pal in Moscow.
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Trump has slapped sanction after sanction on Russia. Other than war, what do you suggest?
The only sanctions Trump very reluctantly "slapped" on Russia are the ones congress forced him to do with veto-proof legislation.
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Biden's election, coupled with a democratic house and senate, will almost certainly move us decisively and irreversibly to a socialist state.
This is always the rallying call of the right against any democrat, without acknowledging the socialist policies supported by the right that already exist.
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posted 08-19-2020 02:54 PM
I have suspected that Trump may envy the unconstrained power of "kings" (tyrants, despots, whatever). But envying that lack of constraint and desiring to subvert our government are two different things. I have seen no evidence that he actually wants to be "King".
But even if he did, our constitution would prevent it. Thank God for that. Despite all the fear-mongering and wild speculation on the rabid left, Trump operates within the confines of checks and balances. Remember the impeachment? Have you noticed the never-ending political obstacles Pelosi puts in place? Did you count the times the Supreme court has ruled against Trump? All part of the founder's blueprint to ensure we do not have a king.
So, no. I don't think Trump really wants to be King; he respects our government too much for that. Trump will leave office if he is defeated, and his successor will take over. And I doubt Trump will make off with the china...
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posted 08-19-2020 03:11 PM
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The only sanctions Trump very reluctantly "slapped" on Russia are the ones congress forced him to do with veto-proof legislation.
You may need to adjust your news antenna. Try this instead: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/
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Trump has moved decisively to the right, and is unabashedly far-right extremist today.
Unabashedly to the right? Hmmm... I think we are seeing a case of moving goalposts here. As the democrats have moved further and further left, the center now looks 'right', and what used to be 'right' is very far afield from Biden's world view. But the "right", by my definition, is conservative. That is, we want to "conserve" that which we consider good and worthy. And, since those ideals don't change, it is hard to move "right". It just seems further out of bounds to those moving hard left.
Perhaps you can remind me of what you define as "the right"? Certainly, the socialist policies proposed by Biden are "Left". What, exactly do you mean by Trump moving to the right?
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This is always the rallying call of the right against any democrat, without acknowledging the socialist policies supported by the right that already exist.
And here is the crux of our disagreement. Once a socialist program is enacted, it will never be removed; it would be political suicide to do so. You can't take away a benefit once given. So, the best a conservative can do is constantly redraw the line in the sand as that line moves inexorably leftward. No president or congress has ever "made the US more conservative". All we conservatives can do is slow the drive to socialism. We can never reverse it.
As we inch ever leftward, there will come a point beyond which the US will no longer be different from other socialist countries. We are regretfully close as it stands. Biden's policies will put us squarely in the "socialist" world. And all that makes America unique will be either gone, or threatened to the point of near-extinction.
Sorry I can't reply to more of your points now. Too many Zoom meetings.
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posted 08-19-2020 03:51 PM
How can anyone that holds interviews in front of the Lincoln Memorial and wants their face on Mt. Rushmore not relish the idea of being a King?
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posted 08-19-2020 03:57 PM
How can anyone actually BECOME king in our system of government?
Can we move on from this ridiculous notion?
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posted 08-19-2020 04:24 PM
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How can anyone actually BECOME king in our system of government?
Subversion!
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posted 08-20-2020 07:02 AM
That’s some strong cool aid MM is drinking. Elections are absolutely about policies.
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posted 08-20-2020 07:48 AM
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To me , this is a character election and not a policy election.
I would much rather have a president who will admit his mistakes, take responsibility for his failures and adjust his course as opposed to a power-drunk narcissist who considers himself infallible, above the law and superior to all others.
The former I'm hoping for...the latter is already in place.
Oh, btw, what are Trumps policies other than "many wonderful things"?
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posted 08-20-2020 12:47 PM
I would rather have a thin-skinned blowhard who enacts policies that I believe are best for our country than a half-senile socialist who, along with his party, will destroy the very essence of America.
Policies matter.
I will take border security over open borders and government benefits for illegals.
I will take a fairer economic situation over the US taking on the chin for decades from China and other "partners".
I will take the painful but necessary strategic repositioning of our military to Eastern Europe and away from the deadbeat Western Europeans who have never paid their allocated share of the defense burden.
I will take the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital over the constant hand-wringing over the Palestinians.
I will take the business tax cuts that spurred an amazing economic burst over ever-more-burdensome taxes that destroy our economy.
I will take the renegotiation of NAFTA and the rejection of the Pacific pact that would have screwed our businesses.
I will take the optimistism and pride in our country over the obvious disdain and hostility that drives the left.
I will take the idea of "one nation, under God" over the divisive race- and class-based warfare that the left engenders.
You will not like the America that Biden will create, MM. It will be endless victim-politics, wealth redistribution, ever-higher taxes, open borders, and a wrecked economy. I think you may end up missing Donald Trump after a few years should he lose.
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posted 08-20-2020 03:26 PM
If he loses (I no longer believe he will), I will miss many of the policies that come from the executive branch when we have a Republican in that office.
I will never miss Donald Trump.
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posted 08-21-2020 04:38 AM
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I would rather have a thin-skinned blowhard who enacts policies that I believe are best for our country than a half-senile socialist who, along with his party, will destroy the very essence of America.
Let's talk about full-blown senility like windmill cancer, birds being killed off, injecting bleach, not enough water in shower heads, toilets not flushing, etc. I'm sure there's more but you get the idea.
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I will take border security over open borders and government benefits for illegals.
Yeah, The Great Wall, all 100 miles of it. It's already been breached over a dozen times by a common Home Depot tool. I feel safer already from all those murderers and rapists.
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I will take a fairer economic situation over the US taking on the chin for decades from China and other "partners".
Unmitigated sanctions against your allies and "partners" will do the trick every time.
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I will take the painful but necessary strategic repositioning of our military to Eastern Europe and away from the deadbeat Western Europeans who have never paid their allocated share of the defense burden.
This strategy has been ongoing for a couple decades and has nothing to do with the "deadbeat Western Europeans" paying their fair share of the defense burden.
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I will take the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital over the constant hand-wringing over the Palestinians.
I don't care where they put their capital, it's their country let them handle it.
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I will take the renegotiation of NAFTA and the rejection of the Pacific pact that would have screwed our businesses.
Using strong-arm tactics against your two closest neighbors to gain a few minor concessions on automobiles and diary products I'm sure has not gone unnoticed around the world.
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I will take the business tax cuts that spurred an amazing economic burst over ever-more-burdensome taxes that destroy our economy.
Over 85% of that "amazing economic burst" has benefited the top 1%, which, btw, already owns more of the nations wealth than the bottom 90% combined....enough is never enough for some.
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will take the idea of "one nation, under God" over the divisive race- and class-based warfare that the left engenders.
Division by race is Trump's DNA profile.
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You will not like the America that Biden will create, MM.
You may very well be right, Tip...I don't know. But one thing I do know for certain...I don't like the America that Trump has created.
Mama has finally managed to fall asleep and I'm tired....later Tip.
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