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Old Norm
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posted 08-12-2020 11:09 AM
I got this in email from SCWC, a great guy that used to post here a lot, until he got disgusted with a few members here:
The US Population is 329,000,000, and in 5 months, the number of deaths is 164,000 (as of August 10, 2020). The number of deaths as a percent of the population is 0.04939 %, compared to the number of cancer cases diagnosed in 2019 (1,762.450) and 607,000 deaths. 480,000 deaths from cigarettes (41,000 from second-hand smoke) every year! This doesn’t seem farfetched because it is happening before our eyes.
A very well-orchestrated plan or an unimaginable set of events that just fell into place ... with the United States front and center.
Scare people with a virus, force them to wear masks, and place them in quarantine.
Count the number of dead every second of every day, in every News Headline. By the way, ninety-nine and eight-tenths of the people who get the virus, recover. About one to two tenths of one percent who get the virus, die. Most all of them have other medical problems. Did you catch that? Less than 1/2 of a percent die.
Close businesses = 35,000,000+ instantly unemployed.
Remove entertainment and prohibit Recreation; Closing parks, gyms, bars, restaurants, sports.
No dating. No touching. Isolate people. Dehumanize them.
Close Temples and Churches, prohibit worship. Create a vacuum and let depression, anxiety, hopelessness and desperation set in.
Then... ignite hatred and civil unrest, creating Civil War.
Empty the prisons because of the virus and fill the streets with criminals.
Send in Antifa to vandalize property, as if they are freedom fighters. Undermine the law, Riot, Loot and Attack all Law Enforcement, but tell government to order a stand-down.
Then...Defund Law Enforcement and abolish Police. We are all being played by those who want to destroy America! This is how you destroy a Nation from within, and in very short order. Will it work? I guess that depends on you and me.
I did not write this .. but it needs to be shared.
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PaulCat
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posted 08-12-2020 12:18 PM
But imagine if lung cancer was highly contagious... The US of A would cease to exist.
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clydeh
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posted 08-12-2020 12:20 PM
Norm,
I think the government needed to take some action concerning Covid because the news media was continually hyping this problem. However, months ago, on this chat board, I posted that I thought the "treatment" (government shutdown efforts)was worse than the disease.
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Tiptree
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posted 08-12-2020 03:25 PM
Too many variables to say what the outcome would have been had we NOT taken such extreme measures, but one example to look at is Sweden.
The Swedes did not issue any lock-down orders, which elicited howls of derision from other countries. Yes, their case count rose, but then stabilized, and fell.
The US has had a death rate of 24 people per 100,000; Sweden's was 35 per 100,000. So, it was higher than ours.
The US has 5.7 million confirmed cases of COVID; for a population of 329M, that is 1.7% of the population. Sweden has had 83K confirmed cases out of a population of 10.1M; that is 0.8% of the population. So, our death rate is lower, but our infection rate is twice as high. I count that as better treatment for those who get ill, but poorer discipline among the population.
But, all in all, BOTH countries have very few cases of this disease. Sweden actually has HALF the infection rate of the US, without any sort of draconian measures, no quarantine, no lockdown, nothing but imploring people to do the obvious: wash your hands, keep social distance, and go on with life (and business) as much as possible.
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MountainMafia
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posted 08-12-2020 03:55 PM
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But imagine if lung cancer was highly contagious... The US of A would cease to exist.
That’s a great point, PC.
Most cancers are self inflicted diseases due to human behavior; tobacco, diet, alcohol and other drugs, industrial pollution, poor sanitation, etc. And they are not contagious, except smoking tobacco. That’s’s why it is prohibited in public today.
If you want to kill yourself by inhaling nicotine and hundreds more deadly cardigans have at it...just isolate from others who don‘t...kinda like if you don’t want to wear a mask, fine...stay away from others who do.
“No shirt, no shoes, no service”... no problem...”mask required to enter”....all hell breaks loose...WTF!
Btw, that 164,000 dead Americans is 25% of the world’s total, even though we have less than 5% of the world’s population. That’s a pretty damn “nasty” stat I think, but that’s just me.
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posted 08-12-2020 05:51 PM
and the average of 7,400 deaths per day right now are down from the 7,700 deaths per day in the US from 2017! That's with a killer virus on the loose!
What is the percentage of nursing home deaths from this virus? I saw it the other day \and it was almost 50% of all deaths were Senior Living patients. How many of those were in NY and NJ?
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Tiptree
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posted 08-12-2020 06:15 PM
I live in a county of 100,000 people, 50,000 of whom live in the county seat (Terre Haute). We have had 717 cases (0.7% infection rate) and 12 deaths (.0012%).
MH is onto something. The horrible mismanagement of the COVID response was in NY and NJ. Allowing COVID-positive patients to return to senior living facilities was like sending a serial killer in with unlimited ammunition. Similar states have had nothing like the death rates in NY.
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MountainMafia
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posted 08-12-2020 06:27 PM
Sweden, your model of choice, did the same thing, Tip.
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posted 08-12-2020 07:34 PM
Norm:
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I got this in email from SCWC, a great guy that used to post here a lot, until he got disgusted with a few members here:
Sorry to here that about SCWC. I remember him well, and enjoyed his posts and insightful contribution to TCD. Too bad he has to rely on proxies to post and defend his position because of the "cancerous" attitude of "a few members". I wish him well and look forward to his return to TCD.
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posted 08-14-2020 05:46 PM
I would also bet that Covid is responsible for nowhere near 164,000 deaths in this country. I have no actual facts to back that up - it's just a gut feeling - but I would bet the real count is 50% or less of that, just based on things i've read and people i know.
I actually watched a video a couple weeks ago of a politician giving a press conference and she actually said that any death (gun shot, car wreck, etc) where the deceased tests positive is considered a Covid-related death in her jurisdiction (it might have been Illinois). That's just down-right stupid.
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Old Norm
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posted 08-14-2020 05:54 PM
My oldest granddaughter went to see a doctor because she had a sore throat. No test, no anything. Her medical record now reads, "COVID-19 positive"! Go figure.
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Tiptree
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posted 08-14-2020 06:30 PM
Inflated numbers fuel the narrative; the narrative keeps people docile and away from normal activities. Docile = 'easier to control', thus less likely to resist the coming socialist agenda.
Away from normal activities = 'Economic slump', ensuring the democrats win in November.
Don't worry. Once Biden/Harris win the election, all will be magically OK again. And unicorns will resume pooping rainbows.
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Old Norm
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posted 08-14-2020 06:40 PM
I wrote in an email today, that everything would be a-okay the second week in November. My liberal school teacher son in Okinawa, wants to bet me $100 that I am wrong. Look: I know this virus kills people. I have known two people that died from it. One was a close friend. Still, the percentage of deaths is no more than the flu normally kills every Fall and Winter.
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MountainMafia
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posted 08-14-2020 08:32 PM
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I would also bet that Covid is responsible for nowhere near 164,000 deaths in this country. I have no actual facts to back that up - it's just a gut feeling
Facts are getting harder to come by, PC. The CDC, which was in charge of receiving, analyzing and reporting covid data and made it publicly available, will no longer do so. All testing data and reporting has been ordered to bypass the CDC and sent directly to the more politically controlled HHS instead, which may or may not make it available to the public.
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My oldest granddaughter went to see a doctor because she had a sore throat. No test, no anything. Her medical record now reads, "COVID-19 positive"! Go figure.
Considering the circumstances I sure hope your granddaughter has taken steps to verify these "results", Norm...she should get herself tested, imo...one way or the other she needs to know for sure. If, in fact, she is tested negative she needs to put her foot up a certain doctor's ass.
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the percentage of deaths is no more than the flu normally kills every Fall and Winter
"Flu season" is just that, seasonal. Generally starting around mid-September and usually over before January...3-4 months. Covid has shown no signs of being seasonal, it's already been spreading for over 7 months and still going strong. So, what we're looking at is the annual flu on top of Covid in the fall and winter.
The head of the CDC just a couple days ago warned that if we don't immediately start doing a better job on masking, distancing, hand washing and avoiding crowds, especially indoors, which, btw, is going to become more difficult as the weather gets colder, we could be looking at the worst fall and winter in US medical history.
Is this being alarmist? I don't know...nobody does yet. All I know is with my age, and especially my underlying conditions (chronic bronchitis, diabetes, and high blood pressure), I'm as good as dead if I get Covid. I'm going to error on the side of caution...and plenty of it.
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posted 08-15-2020 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by Old Norm:
My oldest granddaughter went to see a doctor because she had a sore throat. No test, no anything. Her medical record now reads, "COVID-19 positive"! Go figure.
Could be just another made up story but my neighbor told me of a friend whose mom signed up and went to a drive-thru test but the line was so long she left and never took the test. A short time after she got positive test results in the mail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SjwUXyP8j4
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posted 08-15-2020 12:51 AM
All I can say guys is if you really think this thing is a hoax and you own a mask...flush it...if a restaurant is open go eat...if a bar is open go have few...if your church is open go worship...if your neighbor is having a party by all means attend...if a theater is open take the family and enjoy a good movie...if you wear a mask to be socially accepted screw that it’s about your liberties not acceptance, but remember one thing, this thing will kill you no matter your age, no matter if like Trump or not, no matter if all the reporting is accurate or not...this virus is out there and waiting for you to show up....go for it and good luck.
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posted 08-15-2020 07:41 AM
Here is a story about an incident that happened to my sister-in-law a couple of weeks ago. She lives in a small rural town of about 4,000 people.
She went to the local Piggly-Wiggly to pick up a couple small items and while standing in the check-out line she kept hearing someone behind her saying "look honey at the snowflake"...over and over.
To be honest, I didn't know what a snowflake was so I looked it up. It's a slang insult that's meant to describe someone as an overly-sensitive, scared, self-entitled wimp.
Anyways, when she turned around to see what was going on there was this middle-aged couple snickering at her for wearing a mask. The gentleman then ask her "what's wrong, scared of getting the viiirus?"
Her reply was perfect. "No, sir. I've already tested positive for the viiirus (not true, of course), and I'm asymptomatic. I'm just wearing the mask to protect you and others, but I could remove it if it makes you uncomfortable." End of conversation and end of heckling.
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posted 08-15-2020 08:29 AM
M&M , (AKA) snowflake. I too am proudly a snowflake. I actually have a couple of friends and several acquaintances that feel this way although less vocal.
I wear a mask, do my best to socially distance and even occasionally wash my hands. I admit it is an inconvenience. If I’m wrong I’ve been mildly inconvenienced but “may” have done my small part to keep myself and others healthy.
Those who choose not to follow these guidelines are not inconvenienced and (according to them) are not having any part of having their liberties violated. AND, they look very manly.
However, they “may” put themselves, and more importantly others, in danger.
Yep, I’m a snowflake.
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Old Norm
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posted 08-15-2020 08:52 AM
Numbers don't lie, but people can lie about numbers.
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posted 08-15-2020 09:03 AM
I have no problem with persons wearing a mask. I routinely wear one when I must go indoors in a store.
But I think it need not be a government-enforced mandate (like they tried to do here in Indiana). I am old enough to be at risk, but I have no other "risk factors". I live in a house with my two daughters and my wife; all three have been tested at least once, and are negative. I am not a risk to anyone, so the idea of me wearing a mask to "protect others" is moot. However, I will do it simply to ease the fear that others may feel.
Had I had some of the conditions that would raise my risk level, I would think and act differently. I think those who do have higher risk should take as many precautions as possible, and should feel no shame for doing so. Calling someone a "snowflake" and attempting to shame them is just wrong.
My hope is that an appeal to common sense and reasonable safety precautions is what is needed. NOT more government intervention, NOT shaming, just plain ol' common sense.
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posted 08-15-2020 09:43 AM
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I too am proudly a snowflake.
Snowflake goes all the way back to the Civil War. Pro-slave advocates were called snowflakes for valuing white people over black people. A snowflake can be liberal or conservative depending on context, actually it can mean many things depending on time period and context.
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posted 08-15-2020 09:49 AM
Dang it M&M, can’t I just be a simple snowflake as in wimp, sissy etc?
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posted 08-15-2020 10:04 AM
Tip:
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However, I will do it simply to ease the fear that others may feel.
That's all is needed, Tip...a little courtesy and respect for your fellow citizen, especially those who no longer have the benefit of a strong and youthful immunity against Covid....these folks, I know for certain, are scared and worried about this thing.
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posted 08-15-2020 10:06 AM
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Dang it M&M, can’t I just be a simple snowflake as in wimp, sissy etc?
Of course you can, hc. That's been my impression all along. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted 08-15-2020 10:34 AM
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Numbers don't lie, but people can lie about numbers.
That's true, Norm. That's why character is so important.
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posted 08-15-2020 03:54 PM
If you can pretend Bruce Jenner is a woman then you can pretend I am wearing a mask. lol
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Old Norm
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posted 08-15-2020 05:09 PM
Now THAT'S funny!
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posted 08-16-2020 01:36 PM
I thought you might like that Norm !!!
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