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handycat
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posted 07-12-2019 12:26 PM
These are just two of the people that conservatives everywhere need to get behind and support.
They are the best thing that ever happened to the Republican Party.
I almost wish I lived in their states where I could cross party lines and vote for these idiots.
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posted 07-12-2019 01:17 PM
I doubt many democrats will leave the party because of them; instead, the party sees them as the future. The lines are drawn, for the most part. The democrats recognize that demographics are destiny, and pander to the growing segments of society. Meanwhile, the Republicans still believe that ideas matter.
Guess which party will thrive in 20 years, and which will fade away?
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boomdaddy
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posted 07-12-2019 02:56 PM
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Cortez wants to be sworn in to testify in front of Congress regarding the border.
This would be really interesting for her to be under oath and lie to Congress.
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posted 07-12-2019 06:28 PM
I think the Republican party is the one to survive, not those looney 4 women who are doing much more damage to the democratic party than they are good.
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MountainMafia
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posted 07-13-2019 06:56 AM
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I doubt many democrats will leave the party because of them; instead, the party sees them as the future.
They may be the future of the democratic party, but they are not the present. My wife, a career social worker and very liberal, cannot stand these women, and she is not alone among most democrats....and me.
Like SCWC said, they are doing more harm than good.
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boomdaddy
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posted 07-13-2019 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by Tiptree:
I doubt many democrats will leave the party because of them; instead, the party sees them as the future. The lines are drawn, for the most part. The democrats recognize that demographics are destiny, and pander to the growing segments of society. Meanwhile, the Republicans still believe that ideas matter.
Guess which party will thrive in 20 years, and which will fade away?
The majority of Americans don't pay attention to politics and world events. It takes big events like 9-11 to wake Americans up. Open borders, free health care for illegals, and abortions at 9 months is a wake up call for this country. I do see the House going back to a republican majority.
The Bush administration did not do what was best for the country. They handed us Obama. The worst examples are the invasion and occupation of Irag, equating killing Hussein to killing Bin Laden, and profiteering off the no bod contracts.
Obama pushed Obamacare down the throats of America, put race relations back to the 60s, demonized law enforcement, and fully supported the PC culture, where we can't judge all muslims by a few that want to kill Americans. Let's not forget about the cash he gave Iran, the cover ups for Hillary, and the spying on Trump.
Even though the media is 99% controlled by the left, because of the internet, the masses are being educated.
It is necessary to being those involved in the coup to trial, before the election, to show the American people just how evil the Obama administration was. They sure won't hear it from the media.
The sad thing is that even when the House goes back to a republcan majority, they will still be in the pockets of super pacs and big corporate interests, not the interest of America.
The long term solution is term limits. It will only come about through the citizens of this country pushing it. Those in Congress will not give up their power.
We are actually very lucky that the democrats have taking such an extreme left position. The are gift wrapping a republican majority in Congress and giving Trump his next term n a platter.
The big question is: Will the republicans be smart and actually do what is right for thew country, or will they drop the ball and give the democrat party the majority in the HOuse the next election and have obstruction again.
Should they do what is right, they could have another republican administration after Trump. That would ensure the supreme court would be packed with conservative judges and the country could continue toward nationalism, instead of globalism.
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posted 07-13-2019 01:22 PM
MM,
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They may be the future of the democratic party, but they are not the present. My wife, a career social worker and very liberal, cannot stand these women, and she is not alone among most democrats....and me.
They are to the Democrat party what Trump is to the Republican party. Unpalatable, but representative.
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posted 07-13-2019 01:34 PM
"They are to the Democrat party what Trump is to the Republican party. Unpalatable, but representative."
Not true!!Only "representative" because of their extreme actions with no results whereas Trump is extremely popular and has a platform to show to anyone who wants to look!
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handycat
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posted 07-13-2019 01:52 PM
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Trump is extremely popular and has a platform to show to anyone who wants to look!
That may or may not be true. While Trump’s approval rating is at an all time high, around 43%, many of us support his policies but not him. While some of his supporters have a blind faith in him, many of us do not.
Trump’s “platform” changed dramatically once he decided he wanted to be president.
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ukcatfannfl
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posted 07-13-2019 02:53 PM
Let's see his health care reform was defeated by a so called rep in name only.
his immigration policies are stymied by the dems
his foreign policy is doing nicey
his trade policies are doing good and will get better.
his domestic polices are fine
his "America 1st" policies are spot on..
The supreme court is doing nicely..
all despite the dems and media hating him!
What has changed?
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handycat
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posted 07-13-2019 04:07 PM
What has changed?
Noticed I said “since he decided he wanted to be president”.
Well his party affiliation has changed five times since 1987.
Both him and his family were registered Democrats.
He once was pro- choice.
He has publicly said he “leaned liberal” more than once.
He has stated prior to being president that he was for more stringent gun control.
Those beliefs and others have changed since he decided he wanted to be president. I’m willing to concede that he may have had a great awakening and decided he was really a conservative. Or he may have decided that his political party and stance on major issues needed to change in order to get elected as POTUS. I really don’t know.
Fiscally speaking, he has certainly not been a conservative since he decided to become a politician.
I like most of his policies and as stated before, I will vote for him. I just can’t bring myself to like him, which means absolutely nothing.
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posted 07-13-2019 04:14 PM
Fine but that is not a platform! Made ur remark confusing at least to this old redneck..
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posted 07-13-2019 09:02 PM
Thanks ukcatfan but I know what platform means. That was why I put it in Quotations and said before he was president.
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MountainMafia
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posted 07-13-2019 11:21 PM
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Let's see his health care reform was defeated by a so called rep in name only.
his immigration policies are stymied by the dems
his foreign policy is doing nicey
his trade policies are doing good and will get better.
his domestic polices are fine
his "America 1st" policies are spot on..
The supreme court is doing nicely..
Now, fill in the blanks.
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posted 07-14-2019 09:52 AM
I don't know what the rest of you think about Trump, but my opinion is that he has done the best he could at keeping his promises to America, despite the never Trumpers in the republican party. No President, and I mean no other President has done a damn thing that has amounted to spit, regarding illegals. He has not done enough.
My biggest complaints are that I believe he should use his veto power more often, declare martial law on illegals and kick them the hell out, and go full bore against those involved in the coup.
As far as anyone being worried about his position on guns, at least he had a conceal and carry gun a long time ago in NY.
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posted 07-14-2019 11:15 AM
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declare martial law on illegals and kick them the hell out, and go full bore against those involved in the coup.
Boom, I don't know how to take this statement, and many, MANY others you have made that simply blew my mind. Taking this statement at face value, I have to say you might be more comfortable in countries with more concentrated power in the executive than you are in an open democratic society like the United States.
First, there has been no coup in the United States. Not even an attempted coup. There was concerted, broad political opposition to Trump by the elite power-brokers that were threatened by the wave of populism he was riding, and there certainly was unprecedented use of the vast powers of the 'Administrative State' to try to prevent him from winning the election, but that is not a coup. That is politics. That opposition created great friction for Trump to fight through, which he has done in a very admirable manner. But now you are calling for our chief Executive to do the same thing -- use the vast powers of the state to retaliate against those who so ardently opposed him. Be very careful what you ask for.
That is the kind of thing that Edroygen in Turkey would do, a budding dictator trying to gain power in a decaying democracy. Putin in Russia acts in this way. Certainly, Xi in China uses the incredible power of the state to dispose of his enemies. I have not seen such actions in any of our peer states in Europe, have you?
There is a reason why you don't see that. We don't do that here in America. We strive to limit the power of each branch, hoping to keep them in balance. Your urgent desire to rid this country of undesirables is shocking enough, but your "solution" is anathema to what America is, and how our government is structured.
Secondly, to declare Martial Law gives sweeping powers to a president, and greatly restricts YOUR liberties. It is usually the first "big" step that a would-be dictator takes when trying to turn a democratic state into an autocracy. And, that leader's ardent supporters are almost always cheering him on. The reason for martial law is typically either to suppress the opposition, the follow-up to a REAL coup (successful or not), or in actual time of war. The second step that would-be dictators almost ALWAYS take, if it had not already happened, is to confiscate all guns from the citizenry. Then, the combination of wildly popular leader, martial law, and an unarmed populace allows that leader free reign to continue to grow his "benevolent powers"... until even his followers wake up and realize the only beneficiary of that benevolence is the leader himself.
The list of countries that went down that path is long. I, for one, do not want the United States to be one of them. Trump is the President of the United States, a position of both great power and frustrating weakness. It has always been thus, and I hope it always remains so.
One final thought. If you grant Trump the power you wish him to have, what happens when an ardent socialist gains the presidency and takes those powers a few steps further? I suspect it will then be YOU who is here, urgently calling for a coup. Funny how that works.
What you are advocating for is no longer "conservatism". The definition of political conservatism is to keep the good and worthy traditions and adhere to constitutional principles as much as possible -- to resist change for change's sake. But you are advocating for radical change so YOUR pet peeves are addressed. That is NOT conservatism.
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posted 07-14-2019 12:43 PM
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I don't know what the rest of you think about Trump
Do you wanna know?
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posted 07-14-2019 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by MountainMafia:
boom:
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I don't know what the rest of you think about Trump
Do you wanna know?
I can help you compare Osama Obama vs Donald Trump
O : Said those jobs are not coming back
T: Orchestrated tax cuts so business could afford manufacture in the US again. The jobs did come back
O: Blamed law enforcement for a perp getting shot and killed while attacking a police officer, sending the DOJ down there and labeling their department racist. Setting off a wave of anti law enforcement sentiment across the black community.
T: regularly thanks the men and women of law enforcement for their duty.
O: Warns Americans to not judge all Muslims by those that attack Americans inside our borders, but judges all gun owners by a few liberal wackos that get their hands on guns.
T: Is willing to call a spade a spade. He calls a terrorist a terrorist. He dose not judge all gun ones by the random acts of a few crazy liberlal gun owners.
O: Promised that everyone would be able to keep their doctors and same service through Obamacare and that prices would not raise. In actuality, prices jumped and a lot propels heath care plans turned to crap.
T: He is against single payer health care and had to fight tooth and nail to remove the penalty that Obama had put on people not affording coverage. He is still trying to get rid of Obama care, because it is a budget buster.
O: His administration deported more illegals than any other President. The media never mentioned a word about it.
T: He wants illegals deported and the media and Hollywood are blood letting in the streets, like it is the end of time.
O: Believes in globalism and never cared that other nations were not dealing fairly with the US regarding trade of goods and services.
T: said the US deserves better. Renegotiated unfair trade deals and instituted tariffs that brought countries the negotiating table, where before they wouldn’t.
O: Pushed a terrible nuclear deal with Iran that couldn’t be I forced and flew billions in cash over to the largest supporter of terrorist in the world.
Need I go on?
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posted 07-15-2019 05:04 AM
Boom:
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I can help you compare Osama Obama vs Donald Trump
Huh? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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posted 07-16-2019 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by MountainMafia:
Boom:
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I can help you compare Osama Obama vs Donald Trump
Huh?
The fact is that America is much better off with Trump as President.
That is why you can only say: Huh
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