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posted 05-31-2019 02:37 PM
The tarrif could escalate as high as 25% in October.
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posted 05-31-2019 04:14 PM
This use of tarrifs as a political blunt weapon is only going to hurt the American consumer. I am already mightily pissed at Mr. Trump for a crippling tax bill this year, and now he is targeting every country with the same damn thing -- "obey my will or face tariffs!". His grip on geopolitics is terribly weak, and he doesn't give a damn who gets hurt when he has one of his tantrums.
Sorry, but up to this year, I was a grudging admirer, but he has proven to be less than I had hoped for. I hope we have a genuine Republican challenger for 2020.
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posted 05-31-2019 06:39 PM
[QUOTE] I hope we have a genuine Republican challenger for 2020.
My hope as well but I think the chance of that are slim and none. We are already bailing out the farmers, I wonder who we will give welfare to with these new tariffs, if enacted. The idea that the tariffs will pay for aid to the farmers Is simply not realistic. Find me an economist that says other wise.
Nope, I believe I will have to vote for a liberal in 2020, current president Donald Trump. There are no Republican's out there that has the balls to run against the POTUS and no Democrats worth considering. God only knows what our National Debt will look like when he leaves office in 2024. I fear that I will not live long enough to see a true conservative as POTUS.
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posted 05-31-2019 10:59 PM
Tiptree:
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" and he doesn't give a damn who gets hurt when he has one of his tantrums."
Trump doesn't give a damn....period!
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God only knows what our National Debt will look like when he leaves office in 2024. I
Trump's answer to that question:
“Yeah, but I won’t be here,”
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posted 06-01-2019 10:29 AM
Read "tactic"
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posted 06-02-2019 10:42 AM
Over 1 million illegals that are caught are coming in to the U.S. each MONTH. That of course as stated are the ones CAUGHT. How many are not caught?
Congress is doing NOTHING - the only person that has the U.S. interest at hearth and is TRYING to do something to stem the flow is our President.
But yet all I see is criticizing of his efforts..
What would you DO to stem the flow if congress and especially the democrats just set back on their millionaire asses and tell us that "there is no problem at the border"?
Come on give me your solutions!
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posted 06-02-2019 12:46 PM
From the above linked article: "according to a source who was in the room"
Probably the same "source" that said he hired two whores to piss on the bed in Russia, where Barack and Michelle had slept.
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posted 06-02-2019 01:20 PM
Ed,
I agree that the President is trying to "do something". And, no, you don't only see me complaining. I have written many times how I am happy with many of his policies. On the other hand, I have seen nothing but cheerleading from you, without one word of criticism. Really? Because he is "trying", he is above reproach?
If you cannot see any fault in Mr. Trump's policies, character, or choice of tactics, then I have little to offer except for surprise.
My post was very limited. it seems his only tool lately is tariffs. Part of that is imposed upon him by reality -- the US is stretched too thin militarily, and the public is war-weary after 18 years of conflict in Afganistan, Iraq, and now Syria, central and Eastern africa, and elsewhere. So, military action is not really an option. His own personal character limits his ability to negotiate effectively with some parts of the world. Part of it, I think, is his background as a businessman leads him to believe that "hitting them in the pocketbook" is the best way to achieve results.
But the problem is that tariffs against Mexico will hardly affect the Mexican government. It WILL affect businesses there that depend on the US market, and US businesses that thought we had a frickin' 'free trade' deal with Mexico, and invested heavily in assembly plants and factories there. And, ultimately, it will affect the US consumer, who will bear the brunt of those tariffs in the form of higher prices.
The problem of illegal immigration is best dealt with by actually calling it illegal (instead of "undocumented"), and enforcing the laws vigorously. We cannot coerce other governments to enforce our laws, especially by the use of tariffs which is mostly a burden on our own citizens.
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posted 06-02-2019 05:05 PM
"True. No direct evidence either way...did he or didn't he? I don't know if he did or didn't, but I sure wouldn't be the least bit surprised or shocked if he did...would you?"
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Democratic response - Prove u r innocent!
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Tip you bring up some valid points but yes I am a trump cheerleader and can respond to most items he has done as promisted or attenmpted to do and can not because of the democrats stonewalling...
His overseas policy is working and as I study that facet more as I come from that world... I can talk Korea - middle east - Europe etc.. but no need to because you also now how it was and is!
Domestic policy - I don't need to talk about the employment - pipeline - oil etc etc as I know you are aware of the positives also.
The main prb as I see it is immigration - the whole congress and lead by democdrats has turned this country upside down with the non actions to stop the flow of crime ,drugs and free hte care and food stamps and housing and etc eetc.
Trump is the one person we have who is TRYING to do something anything to stop this invasion of our country6 so yes I do get a little upset when all he gets is a rash of ****ttt ..
He is doing great IMO and pls counter with what else he can do? tks
p/s tip u r the smart one on this board and I do respect ur opinions but give me some solutions.
I used to deal with security officers overseas and they would cme to meeting with the pat "no" we cant do that - my response was if u are going to say no then also bring me a solution!
P.s. Tarff or no tariffs the Mexicans have sent a delegation to Washington to discuss the immigration problem . Already a positive imv..
ps.s. I don't agree that we are stretched that thin in terms of military. In todays world to counter N Korea for example they can be dealt with without boots on the ground..
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"We cannot coerce other governments to enforce our laws, especially by the use of tariffs which is mostly a burden on our own citizens."
We just need for Mexico to enforce THEIR own laws!
Maybe these upcoming meetings will do just that..
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posted 06-02-2019 07:25 PM
I think the solution is already on the books, or in the works, and with a little more tweaking, It would be pretty damn effective. Here is Tiptree's "immigration plank" for his 2020 campaign: ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Border Security
(1) Complete the physical barrier on the border, and increase the number of border guards to ensure coverage.
(2) Repeat violators of our immigration laws will be detained for one year before deportation.
Legal Apparatus
(1) Enforce existing immigration laws vigorously.
(2) Allow local law enforcement to detain suspected illegal immigrants.
(3) Increase the number of detention centers, hearing centers, and judges to ensure that offenders are subject to the quick and honest application of our laws.
(4) Bring holy legal fire down on "sanctuary cities" and other governmental entities that do anything but vigorously enforce the law.
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(1) Proof of being a legal citizen or immigrant should be required to send money overseas. Shutting down the vast 'remittance' pipelines would put a huge dent in the incentives to come here.
(2) All migrant laborers must join a union, and the union must ensure that they are here legally, pay taxes, and obey the law. This would ensure that legal workers get better pay, improved working conditions, and a means of recourse against abusive employers. It would also ensure that the US gets some semblance of a fair share of the taxes it is due. Controlling millions of migrant workers is hard, but monitoring a union is much easier.
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posted 06-02-2019 07:50 PM
Tip u r right they are in the books.
Unfortunately, it takes congress to implement them and the left wing Obama appointed judges to stop disallowing the president to use "out of the box" funds to build the war.
The President therefore has to take other "out of the box' solutions to attempt to fix a problem that ALL US citizens should want fixed!
It ain't the President that is causing the ongoing immigration crisis it is the UNITED STATES CONGRESS.
Be happy that we have a man that is fighting for our best long term interests at heart. If Hillary was the President we would have "open borders" period..
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posted 06-03-2019 07:05 AM
Mexico is a third world lawless country. If there was a $5000 tariff on every completed vehicle and a huge tariff on everything else, it would not bother me a bit.
The only thing that I would be interested in buying from Mexico is prescription drugs, because of the price gouging that goes on in the US.
I would not mind that goods would cost more, if they had to be made in this country.
Mexico exports illegal immigrants to the US. IN turn, the US gives them free stuff and the illegals pull money out of our economy and send it back to Mexico, each month.
I would be a huge fan of special tax for any money that is wired to mexico. If they are going to pull money out of the economy, we might as well make it costly for them. Make Western Union collect the tax and earmark the money to the border wall funding.
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posted 06-03-2019 07:52 AM
Oh, by the way, had Trump not run for office, Hillary would have won. That means that two more liberals would have been named to the supreme court.
Those involved in the coup are being investigated and hopefully will come to justice. It goes all the way to Obama. Had Hillary won, the spying would never have been found out.
I don't trust any politician. But, the Dem party takes corruption to a whole new level.
Any of you that are pro capitalism and anti socialism, should be on your knees and thanking God that Trump ran for POTUS.
No other candidate could have carried the votes.
The republican party is not full of saints, either. The Never Trumpers in the republican party stonewalled his agenda, when the party had control of both the House and the Senate. Then, when it came out that the charges against Trump were false, the republicans lost the house and their opportunity to make strides against what the Obama administration had done, during his eight years.
Bush Jr gave us eight years of Obama, invading Iraq over oil and profiteering from the no bid contracts.
Trump stepped in to save this country, and there are voices that say: I wish there was a candidate to unseat him in the republican party. What the hell?
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posted 06-03-2019 11:22 AM
I don't agree with everything Trump says and does but I am certainly glad he is our president and not Hillary Clinton. Never has a President of this country been so vilified in the media and the democrats. There are many in the republican party who are never Trumpers and they fit right in with the democratic agenda.
The scary thing with the democrats is that it seems that all who have announced for POTUs in 2020 are wanting to change this country from Capitolism to Socialism, that should scare the pants off sensible people.
And the Mueller investigation was a terrible waste of our tax dollars and other government resources.
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posted 06-03-2019 03:35 PM
Boom, Let me get this right. You would be willing to raise the price of a new Ford or Chevy by $5,000 in what would be a futile attempt to force Mexico to stop illegal immigration? Even knowing that the $5,000 would not hurt Mexico, only US citizens?
I have to assume two things:
(1) That you feel confident that such a tariff would actually work, and force Mexico (a corrupt 3rd world government, as SCWC correctly points out) to somehow wave a wand and stop immigration.
(2) I must also suppose that you feel insulated from the effect of the tarrif because you wouldn't buy a new Chevy or Ford. But it would end up raising the prices of ALL cars, new or used, as the market adjusted to the new prices.
I am stunned at the non-chalant way you would accept significant price increases in support of a move unlikely to have the desired effect.
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posted 06-04-2019 09:36 AM
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Boom, Let me get this right. You would be willing to raise the price of a new Ford or Chevy by $5,000 in what would be a futile attempt to force Mexico to stop illegal immigration? Even knowing that the $5,000 would not hurt Mexico, only US citizens?
I have to assume two things:
(1) That you feel confident that such a tariff would actually work, and force Mexico (a corrupt 3rd world government, as SCWC correctly points out) to somehow wave a wand and stop immigration.
(2) I must also suppose that you feel insulated from the effect of the tarrif because you wouldn't buy a new Chevy or Ford. But it would end up raising the prices of ALL cars, new or used, as the market adjusted to the new prices.
I am stunned at the non-chalant way you would accept significant price increases in support of a move unlikely to have the desired effect.
Yes, I would not have a problem if the price of vehicles jumped. In our country's history, we have been ignoring this problem. Our politicians bring it up when they are trying to get elected and once in office, it quits being an issue and is kicked down the road.
A country with out secured borders is not a sovereign country.
It does not mean that I have no concern for those who can barely afford a new vehicle. This is a war that America has been losing for 50 years. We finally have a leader who wants America to win this war. In times of war, the citizens of that country may have to sacrifice to win the war. The invasion from illegal aliens is a huge problem and most people in this country don't realize the crisis that our country is in. Not only do I want a border wall, I want a moat with alligators and piranha swimming in it. I want all the illegals captured, put in shackles, and be forced to build the wall. When the wall is built, push them over the wall and tell if they try to sneak back in, they will be shot. I am also for having our government find every tunnel, flood them, blow them up, seal them off, and confiscate the properties where the tunnels exit into the US, until the land owners can prove they are not a party to the illegal drug smuggling and human trafficking.
I also have a problem with border agents pulling illegals out of the water and saving their lives. Let them drown. Hell yes, I said it. Let them drown.
Trump is the only elected official that has enough love for this country and the stones to do something about illegal immigration. The rest of the politicians are just blow hards, trying to get into office.
For the record, I have no issue with those who come into our country legally and plan to make a living and be a law abiding citizen.
Trump's Mexico tarifs
Mexico says it is holding back 250,000 illegals from entering the US
From that link, it appears that tariffs have already started getting the Mexican government to start doing something to prevent them from crossing the US border, instead of helping aid them to get to our border.
Judge tosses Democrat lawsuit
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posted 06-04-2019 09:41 AM
Furthermore, I seriously wonder if the republicans win back the house, will they have enough love for the country to legislate a new set of laws that prevent any government assistance to illegals, have harsh penalties for employers hiring illegals, and prevent any sanctuary city or state from receiving any federal monies or grants.
Illegal immigration is not a joke. The measures that Trump has taken, should have been taken 30 years ago. Sadly, there were no patriots in office that cared enough about this country to do what he is doing.
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posted 06-04-2019 12:24 PM
I also have a problem with border agents pulling illegals out of the water and saving their lives. Let them drown. Hell yes, I said it. Let them drown.
WOW!
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posted 06-05-2019 10:59 AM
Boom,
You seem convinced that tariffs will force Mexico to enforce our requirements. I am equally convinced it may result in diplomatic words and empty promises, but no real change. The problem is the fact that the states in Mexico that are along our border are essentially in the control of the drug gangs, and the Mexican authorities are out-gunned and out-manned there. There will be no change in illegal immigration, which is a profitable business for those locales.
But, I have to say, you seem to think that Mexicans (and others) who come here illegally are not fully human, and not worthy of being accorded basic human rights. Frankly, I am appalled by what you wrote. Imagine you were a border patrol agent, and a family was drowning crossing the Rio Grande. Would YOU let them die? I hope you are full of bluster and hyperbole, and are not really as cold-hearted as you come across.
I know many immigrants, most of the legal, some not. All of them are fully human, with hopes and dreams and desires, and all of them come here to do honest work to improve their lot. I do not know of any who come here to abuse our social services, or who have evil intent towards Americans. Of course, I don't travel in criminal circles, so I am happily not exposed to them. But you are painting them all in a very harsh light. So harsh that you wish them physical harm, even death.
I agree we need secure borders, and I support Trump's efforts to build a physical barrier to improve our ability to stop illegals from crossing. I think that once the border is secure, we need to reform the existing immigration laws to make them more sensible. While no physical barrier is truly impervious, it will help.
However, I do NOT view those who strive to come here, even illegally, as vermin or trash worthy of death. Deportation, yes. But even then, they are entitled to being treated within the bounds of human decency.
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posted 06-05-2019 12:18 PM
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You seem convinced that tariffs will force Mexico to enforce our requirements. I am equally convinced it may result in diplomatic words and empty promises, but no real change. The problem is the fact that the states in Mexico that are along our border are essentially in the control of the drug gangs, and the Mexican authorities are out-gunned and out-manned there. There will be no change in illegal immigration, which is a profitable business for those locales.
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posted 06-05-2019 12:29 PM
For what it's worth, I had a meeting this morning with my financial advisor and his quote was that if these tariffs pass then the stock market will react very favorably. I'm not smart enough (regarding financial policy) to debate him one way or the other. I just listen to the experts.
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posted 06-05-2019 12:30 PM
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Boom,
You seem convinced that tariffs will force Mexico to enforce our requirements. I am equally convinced it may result in diplomatic words and empty promises, but no real change. The problem is the fact that the states in Mexico that are along our border are essentially in the control of the drug gangs, and the Mexican authorities are out-gunned and out-manned there. There will be no change in illegal immigration, which is a profitable business for those locales.
But, I have to say, you seem to think that Mexicans (and others) who come here illegally are not fully human, and not worthy of being accorded basic human rights. Frankly, I am appalled by what you wrote. Imagine you were a border patrol agent, and a family was drowning crossing the Rio Grande. Would YOU let them die? I hope you are full of bluster and hyperbole, and are not really as cold-hearted as you come across.
I know many immigrants, most of the legal, some not. All of them are fully human, with hopes and dreams and desires, and all of them come here to do honest work to improve their lot. I do not know of any who come here to abuse our social services, or who have evil intent towards Americans. Of course, I don't travel in criminal circles, so I am happily not exposed to them. But you are painting them all in a very harsh light. So harsh that you wish them physical harm, even death.
I agree we need secure borders, and I support Trump's efforts to build a physical barrier to improve our ability to stop illegals from crossing. I think that once the border is secure, we need to reform the existing immigration laws to make them more sensible. While no physical barrier is truly impervious, it will help.
However, I do NOT view those who strive to come here, even illegally, as vermin or trash worthy of death. Deportation, yes. But even then, they are entitled to being treated within the bounds of human decency.
I am not int he camp of receiving illegals into this country and giving them aid. They do not respect our laws and should be driven out of our country. They are human beings who happen to be leeches on our country. Yes, a wall will help immensely. The long term counter measure is to make it so undesirable for illegals to come to the US, instead of getting here legally, that they quit doing it. Putting them in chain gangs and making them do hard labor is a good start. Getting rid of chain migration is another. America doesn't owe anyone from another country a single damn thing. There are plenty of disadvantaged people who happen to be Americans. I view myself as a nationalist. I put this country and its citizens before the needs of any other countries. I am totally against amnesty. Anyone born in this country from illegal parents, should not be given US citizenship. That needs to stop.
That whole "dreamer" crap that Obama started was a damn farce. He created it by executive order. Trump had the intention of removing it by executive order, but the liberal Obama appointed judges feel that Trump's executive orders do not carry the same weight as Obama's.
Trump is the only only one who was brave enough to stand up and say enough is enough, regarding illegal immigration.
Now, Congress is going to fight him on the tariff issue. I fully expect the whole self serving lot of those turds to work to over ride any veto and block the President's use of tariffs to reign in Mexico. When Trump first took office, the republicans controlled both the house and the senate, but pissed around and did not help him get his agenda through. They were more concerned about getting re elected and not making a difference for the good of the country.
For the record, I have never seen a more honest POTUS, in my lifetime. Had the republican party been comprised of patriots and not self serving turds, more of the Trump agenda would already have been implemented. It is a damn shame that the majority of politicians want to do what is best for them, personally, and not what is good for the country.
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posted 06-05-2019 01:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzlviQH4FhQ
I'm sure this video has been posted here before, but heck, even Bill Clinton was aware of the problem.
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posted 06-05-2019 02:58 PM
Boom,
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I am not int he camp of receiving illegals into this country and giving them aid. They do not respect our laws and should be driven out of our country.
I agree with you on this. And, pretty much only this. Let's just let it rest there.
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posted 06-07-2019 08:25 PM
Just in
Mexico deploying military to block hundreds of migrants from their southern border..plus an agreement has been reached between the U.S. and Mexico meaning the tariff has been suspended.
so perhaps the President's plan is working since congress wont do their job?
Glad he has the balls to do something since the congress ,both parties, had their cut off once the money started flowing fm the lobbiest(sic)..
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posted 06-07-2019 09:41 PM
I have not had a lot to say about this tariff threat, but this outcome does not surprise me at all. MR. Trump is a businessman, and he knows that if you hit them in the pocket book, they often capitulate.
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posted 06-09-2019 08:32 AM
If Trump had not run for POTUS, it would be business as usual, no matter which candidate had won.
How many things does he have to accomplish, before people realize that he became President to help fix this country?
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posted 06-09-2019 12:09 PM
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Over 1 million illegals that are caught are coming in to the U.S. each MONTH.
1 million/month...didn't realize it was that many.
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posted 06-09-2019 12:44 PM
American citizens are funding the caravans. We need to make them public and prosecute them.
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posted 06-09-2019 12:55 PM
Orchestrated mass migration to US Southern border...question is...who did it?
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posted 06-26-2019 11:57 AM
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I also have a problem with border agents pulling illegals out of the water and saving their lives. Let them drown. Hell yes, I said it. Let them drown.
That would sure do the job boom.
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posted 06-26-2019 12:15 PM
You think I'm heartless? We have plenty of Americans dying and nobody is helping them.
Build the wall across the entire southern border. Build it high and build it strong. Then, those illegals would know that they can't sneak across. If you want to blame anyone, blame the damn politicians who allow illegals to have government assistance. No free lunch, no free housing, no free medical for illegals. That would mean no illegals risking their lives to get across our border.
It is is not the US Government's responsibility to save foreigners from dying. It is not the US' responsibility to police the world either.
I agree with Trump wanting to charge countries for the US military for keeping those countries safe.
I don't agree with giving other countries money or aid, either. The US is a country in debt. There should not be any aid given to other countries. Not one cent.
If you, personally feel bad for those migrants who are stupid enough to try and cross a raging river, then you can go to the border with a boat and save them from drowning. If you happen to get shot or killed by cartel members while you are down there, I am sure it would have been worth it to you.
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posted 06-26-2019 12:35 PM
boom,
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You think I'm heartless?
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I also have a problem with border agents pulling illegals out of the water and saving their lives. Let them drown. Hell yes, I said it. Let them drown.
Judge yourself boom.
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posted 06-26-2019 12:37 PM
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boom,
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You think I'm heartless?
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I also have a problem with border agents pulling illegals out of the water and saving their lives. Let them drown. Hell yes, I said it. Let them drown.
Judge yourself boom.
Boo hoo to you.
Why don't you go talk to some American families who have had loved ones raped and murdered by illegals and have also seen sanctuary cities protect them.
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posted 06-26-2019 01:01 PM
Listen boom, I don't think for a second that you would stand by and watch someone drown, especially a child, but words have meaning and consequence...and, as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
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posted 06-26-2019 01:13 PM
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Listen boom, I don't think for a second that you would stand by and watch someone drown, especially a child, but words have meaning and consequence...and, as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
As a parent, I would not be that reckless as to take a child across a river without a life jacket.
You seem to be ignoring who is at fault for the kid's drowning. The parent.
As for our military and border patrol, if one US life was lost, while fishing an illegal out of the water, that is one too many.
Furthermore, if they do fish an illegal out of the water, they should throw them out on the Mexican side.
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posted 06-26-2019 01:23 PM
Maybe I was wrong boom...I'm done, thanks for the insight.
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posted 06-26-2019 01:47 PM
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Maybe I was wrong boom...I'm done, thanks for the insight.
Yes, it is terrible that anyone drowns, especially when they could have stayed on dry ground and stayed inside their own borders.
Why should the US send resources to the border to save the lives of mexicans who are sneaking across the border.
Should our legal border crossings have dangerous conditions, I would be up in arms and yelling from the roof tops to fix that situation. As far as I am aware of, nobody is drowning while coming across the border legally.
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