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MountainMafia
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posted 02-15-2019 12:49 PM
Based on what?
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posted 02-15-2019 02:35 PM
The reason is apparent, and you are just being obtuse, sir.
Here is a list of National Emergencies declared by US presidents. Many of them are still "current". Do you think this one is any less of an emergency than most of these?
Ended Wilson February 5, 1917[5] March 3, 1921[6] Emergency in Water Transportation of the United States (Proclamation 1354)[5]
Ended FDR March 9, 1933[7] Declaring Bank Holiday (Proclamation 2039)[8] – Declared a bank holiday from March 6 through March 9, 1933, using the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 as a legal basis.[7] The first of four emergencies cited by Senate Report 93-549 as never having been terminated.[7]
Ended FDR February 28, 1935[7] February 10, 1936[7] Dealt with the agriculture industry via the Cotton Control Act.[7]
Ended FDR September 8, 1939[9] April 28, 1952[9][7] Proclaiming a National Emergency in Connection with the Observance, Safeguarding, and Enforcement of Neutrality and the Strengthening of the National Defense Within the Limits of Peace-Time Authorizations[10] (Proclamation 2352)
Ended FDR May 27, 1941 April 28, 1952[9][7] Proclaiming That an Unlimited National Emergency Confronts This Country, Which Requires That Its Military, Naval, Air and Civilian Defenses Be Put on the Basis of Readiness to Repel Any and All Acts or Threats of Aggression Directed Toward Any Part of the Western Hemisphere[11] (Proclamation 2487)[9] – President Franklin Roosevelt declared an unlimited national emergency under threat from Nazi Germany.[12]
Ended Truman December 16, 1950[7] Proclaiming the Existence of a National Emergency (Proclamation 2914)[13] – During the Korean War, Truman declared that the United States' "military, naval, air and civilian defenses" should be used to fight communism.[14] The second of four emergencies cited by Senate Report 93-549 as never having been terminated.[7]
Ended Nixon March 23, 1970[7] Declaring a National Emergency[15] (Proclamation 3972)[15] – Declared in response to the 1970 United States Postal Service strike. The third of four emergencies cited by Senate Report 93-549 as never having been terminated.[7]
Ended Nixon August 15, 1971[7][16] Imposition of Supplemental Duty for Balance of Payments Purposes (Proclamation 4074)[16] – Imposed import controls in response to the Nixon shock. The last of four emergencies cited by Senate Report 93-549 as never having been terminated.[7]
Current Carter November 14, 1979 Blocking Iranian Government Property[17] (Executive Order 12170)[17] – After the Iran hostage crisis, President Jimmy Carter issued an order freezing all Iranian assets in the U.S.[4]
Ended Reagan May 1, 1985[18] March 13, 1990[19] Prohibiting Trade and Certain Other Transactions Involving Nicaragua (Executive Order 12513)[18] – During the United States embargo against Nicaragua, all trade between the U.S. and Nicaragua was prohibited.[20] It was lifted in March 1990.
Ended Clinton May 7, 1994[21] October 14, 1994[22] Prohibiting Certain Transactions With Respect to Haiti[21] (Executive Order 12914)
Ended Clinton June 9, 1998[23] May 28, 2003[24] Blocking Property of the Governments of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), the Republic of Serbia, and the Republic of Montenegro, and Prohibiting New Investment in the Republic of Serbia in Response to the Situation in Kosovo (Executive Order 13088)[23] – President Clinton declared a national emergency during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.[25]
Ended Bush January 18, 2001[26] January 15, 2004[27] Prohibiting the Importation of Rough Diamonds From Sierra Leone (Executive Order 13194)[26]
Ended Obama October 23, 2009[28] October 23, 2010[29] Declaration of a National Emergency With Respect to the 2009 H1N1 Influenza Pandemic (Proclamation 8443)[28] – Empowered the secretary of Health and Human Services to issue waivers allowing overcrowded hospitals to move swine flu patients to satellite facilities or other hospitals.[30]
Ended Clinton May 20, 1997 October 7, 2016[31] Prohibiting New Investment in Burma (Executive Order 13047)[32]
Ended Bush February 7, 2006[33] September 14, 2016[34] Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Côte d'Ivoire (Executive Order 13396)[33]
Current Clinton November 14, 1994[35] Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction[36] (Executive Order 12938)[37] – Provides for control over the export of weapons;[35] combined two previous national emergencies regarding WMDs.[4]
Current Clinton January 23, 1995[38] Prohibiting Transactions With Terrorists Who Threaten To Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (Executive Order 12947) – Imposed economic sanctions on Specially Designated Terrorists, including the ANO, Hezbollah, the DFLP, Hamas, and the PFLP.[38]
Current Clinton March 15, 1995[39] Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources[4] (Executive Order 12957)[39] – Intended to prevent a business deal between Iran and Conoco.[40]
Current Clinton October 21, 1995[4] Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (Executive Order 12978)[41] – Declared in response to Colombian drug cartels using American companies to launder money.[4]
Current Clinton March 1, 1996[4] Declaration of a National Emergency and Invocation of Emergency Authority Relating to the Regulation of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels (Proclamation 6867)[42] – Implemented following the destruction of two civilian aircraft by the Cuban military on 24 February 1996.[43]
Current Clinton November 3, 1997[4] Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Sudan[44] (Executive Order 13067)[44] – Established a trade embargo against Sudan, specifically targeting the Sudanese government.[45]
Current Bush June 26, 2001[4] Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans[46] (Executive Order 13219)[47] – Intended to combat extremist Albanian insurgents operating in Macedonia and limit obstruction of the Dayton Accords. Amended on May 28, 2003 (Executive Order 13304) following the Ohrid Agreement, signed in 2001.[48]
Current Bush August 17, 2001 Continuation of Export Control Regulations (Executive Order 13222)[49] – Reasserted presidential control of exports of "defense articles" following the expiration of the Export Administration Act of 1979 in 1994.[4] Amended on March 8, 2013 (Executive Order 13637)[50] to delegate authority provided by Section 38 of the Arms Export Control Act from the president to the Secretary of State.[51]
Current Bush September 14, 2001[4] Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks (Proclamation 7463)[52] – The first of two national emergencies declared following the September 11 attacks, allowing the president to call troops from the National Guard or from retirement, to apportion military funding, to exercise more discretion over hiring military officers, and to promote more generals than previously allowed.[53][54]
Current Bush September 23, 2001[55] Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Persons Who Commit, Threaten To Commit, or Support Terrorism (Executive Order 13224)[54] – The second of two national emergencies declared following the September 11 attacks,[56] allowing the State and Treasury departments (through the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control) to designate entities as terrorists and apply economic sanctions. Due to the order's broad language, its scope has grown over the years to become one of the Treasury's "cornerstone sanctions programs" in fighting terrorism worldwide.[54] Amended on July 2, 2002 (Executive Order 13268)[57] to include the Taliban, and on January 23, 2003 (Executive Order 13284)[58] to integrate the newly-created position of Secretary of Homeland Security into the order's process.
Current Bush March 6, 2003[59] Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe (Executive Order 13288)[59] – Imposed economic sanctions on Zimbabwe president Robert Mugabe and 76 other government officials[60] following years of rigged elections and a recent food shortage,[61] echoing similar sanctions imposed the previous year by the European Union.[62] Amended on November 22, 2005 (Executive Order 13391)[63] to revise the EO's annex listing the individuals targeted with sanctions.
Current Bush May 22, 2003 Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq Has an Interest (Executive Order 13303)[64] – Granted the Development Fund for Iraq, established the same day, legal protection in the wake of the invasion of Iraq and amidst the Iraq War.
Current Bush May 11, 2004 Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria (Executive Order 13338)[65] – Imposed mostly symbolic economic sanctions on Syria,[66] grounding all flights between the two countries, banning all exports to Syria but food and medicine, and freezing some Syrians' assets.[67]
Current Bush June 16, 2006 Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (Executive Order 13405)[68] – Imposed sanctions, including a travel ban, on Alexander Lukashenko after Belarus's crackdown on peaceful protests against the recent presidential election and following similar sanctions by the European Union.[69]
Current Bush October 27, 2006 Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (Executive Order 13413)[70] – Imposed economic sanctions on DRC government officials amidst widespread violence taking place during runoffs for Congo's first free election in decades.[71]
Current Bush August 1, 2007 Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions (Executive Order 13441)[72] – Imposed sanctions intended as a warning to Syria and Hezbollah, months after a similar travel ban, during widespread unrest in the country, and out of concern over rifts between prime minister Fouad Siniora and president Émile Lahoud.[73][74]
Current Bush June 26, 2008 Continuing Certain Restrictions With Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals (Executive Order 13466)[75] – Retained "certain restrictions" on North Korea as the United States removed North Korea from its list of state sponsors of terrorism and as North Korea publicly declared its nuclear program.[76]
Current Obama April 12, 2010[35] Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Executive Order 13536)[77] – Intended to help combat Somali pirates.[4]
Current Obama February 25, 2011 Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Executive Order 13566)[78] – Imposed sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi, his family, and Libyan officials after protestors were killed by government forces, including freezing assets and consideration of prosecution for war crimes.[79]
Current Obama July 24, 2011[80] Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Executive Order 13581)[80] – Levied sanctions against four criminal organizations–Los Zetas, the Brothers' Circle, the Yakuza, and the Camorra–including freezing assets, barring ownership of American real estate, and implementing travel bans.[81]
Current Obama May 16, 2012 Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (Executive Order 13611)[82] – Intended to counter unrest in Yemen in the aftermath of the Yemeni Revolution.[4]
Current Obama March 6, 2014[83] Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Executive Order 13660)[83] – Imposed sanctions, including restricting visas, in concert with the European Union and the international community against Russia after its invasion and occupation of Crimea.[84][85] Amended on 16 March 2014 (Executive Order 13661),[86] 20 March 2014 (Executive Order 13662),[87] and 19 December 2014 (Executive Order 13685)[88] to expand the scope of sanctions.
Current Obama April 3, 2014[35] Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Executive Order 13664)[89] – Enabled economic sanctions to be placed due to the civil war in South Sudan; sanctions were first imposed a month later.[90]
Current Obama May 12, 2014 Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (Executive Order 13667)[91] – Imposed sanctions against former Central African Republic president François Bozizé, following similar sanctions placed on Bozizé by the United Nations Security Council the previous week;[92] also contains provisions against the use of child soldiers.[35]
Current Obama March 8, 2015 Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Executive Order 13692)[93] – Imposed sanctions on seven high-ranking Venezuelan government officials, including SEBIN director Gustavo Enrique González López, PNB director Manuel Perez, and CVG head Justo Noguero.[94][95]
Current Obama April 1, 2015 Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Executive Order 13694)[96] – Intended to allow sanctions to be levied on foreign individuals determined by the Department of the Treasury to have engaged in cyber-crime or cyber-terrorism; was in the works for two years.[97]
Current Obama November 22, 2015[98] Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Executive Order 13712)[98] – Imposed sanctions on four Burundi nationals – minister of public security Alain Guillaume Bunyoni, National Police of Burundi deputy director-general Godefroid Bizimana, Godefroid Niyombare, and Cyrille Ndayirukiye – in the wake of widespread unrest.[99]
Current Trump December 20, 2017 Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption (Executive Order 13818)[100] – Imposed sanctions due to the Rohingya conflict in Myanmar, specifically against general Maung Maung Soe;[101] works in tandem with the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act.[35]
Current Trump September 12, 2018[35] Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election (Executive Order 13848)[102] – Intended to enable automatic sanctions in response to election interference;[103][104] intelligence agencies are given 45 days after an election to assess any possible interference.[35]
Current Trump November 27, 2018 Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua (Executive Order 13851)[105] – Announces certain sanctions against current and former Daniel Ortega government officials engaging in "human rights abuse or corruption."[106]
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posted 02-15-2019 02:52 PM
Tip, that's quite a list.
I'm all for border security and that includes a wall in any or all places the folks on the border say that it is necessary.
I still think circumventing the system to get this is a mistake. Wait until we have a Democratic president and there is another mass shooting. Watch out for a national emergency to start the process of banning guns.
Had to edit this to add I don't believe any of the previous "national emergency's" had already been decided by congress and a compromise had already been agreed to.
Tip, are you proud of me for using the word circumventing! Is it used in the right context? If I keep hanging around the Domain I'm going to learn lots of big words.
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posted 02-15-2019 04:20 PM
I am for a 50 foot high wall with a moat that has alligators in it.
Congress needs to get off their asses and vote in regulations making it illegal for any illegal immigrants to get one penny of the tax payer funds.
All illegals should be rounded up, put in chains, and be forced to build the wall.
When the wall it built, push them over the wall and tell them not to come back.
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posted 02-15-2019 11:15 PM
Boom, tell us how you really feel. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted 02-15-2019 11:18 PM
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The reason is apparent, and you are just being obtuse, sir.
I think you may have mistook the meaning of my post. I'm perfectly aware of the reason, I was looking for justification.
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posted 02-16-2019 07:20 AM
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Boom, tell us how you really feel. [Big Grin]
One thing about Boom...he won't leave you wondering.
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posted 02-16-2019 07:53 AM
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Wait until we have a Democratic president and there is another mass shooting. Watch out for a national emergency to start the process of banning guns.
Now that, my friend, would sho nuff be a crisis.
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posted 02-16-2019 08:44 AM
I'm not an Ann Coulter fan but many Trump supporters are and this is what she has to say about declaring a national emergency. Pretty harsh when a conservative talk show host calls the president an idiot.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/430286-coulter-fires- back-at-trump-only-national-emergency-is-that-our-president-is
I really don't understand our president when in the same speech he announces a national emergency he says something to the effect "I really don't need to do this but I want to speed up the process". I know that's not the exact quote but it's close.
I'll say this one more time. I'm all in for the wall but this is being handled poorly.
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posted 02-16-2019 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by handycat:
I'll say this one more time. I'm all in for the wall but this is being handled poorly.
I agree. Especially by the democrat controlled House of Representatives. I seem to recall a president saying, "I have a pen and I have a phone." This is nothing new, except this time it's Mister Trump. The Trump derangement syndrome is real. Anybody that cannot see that we are being invaded from the southern border, is not being realistic. The cost we are incurring would build a wall around the entire country before too long.
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posted 02-16-2019 12:15 PM
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Especially by the democrat controlled House of Representatives.
Did you expect the Democrats to give Trump what the Republicans would not for 2 years?
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posted 02-16-2019 12:40 PM
I don't expect anybody to give anything to "Trump". I expect them to defend AMERICA from this invasion. And you are correct. Paul Ryan was/is a "never Trumper".
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posted 02-18-2019 02:05 PM
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I expect them to defend AMERICA from this invasion.
Somehow I don't see a bunch of impoverished, malnourished and frightened refugees, fleeing their homeland out of fear for their lives and travel hundreds of miles to ask America for help, as an "invasion".
I mean, seriously, this is the "invader" that requires military force to repel?
Why not this a national emergency?
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And you are correct. Paul Ryan was/is a "never Trumper".
Ryan never had enough support from Republicans to even call a vote.
Probably just a coincidence, but it seems like the wall gained national emergency status right after midterms.
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posted 02-18-2019 02:25 PM
None are so blind as those that will not see.
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posted 02-18-2019 02:29 PM
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Somehow I don't see a bunch of impoverished, malnourished and frightened refugees, fleeing their homeland out of fear for their lives and travel hundreds of miles to ask America for help, as an "invasion".
Interesting how we choose our words. Let me phrase that in a way that may make more sense.
"I see a bunch of carefully chosen political pawns being herded to our borders by an organization funded by unknown malefactors to force a political confrontation that will further fracture the United States".
Or, how about this:
"I see a bunch of refugees seeking to enter our country in violation of our laws in order to gain financial resources from our government that we don't even offer our own citizens"
It isn't an invasion in the sense of a military action. But it is a very visible, made-for-TV movement of people, organized and funded externally. Why? What is the reason for funding and publicizing such a mass migration? Most of the people who do come here to get a better life illegally try to come under the cover of darkness, not the glare of TV lights. This is PURE POLITICS, and if you try to cast this in any other light, you have been blinded by your own political views.
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posted 02-18-2019 02:50 PM
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Interesting how we choose our words
Ain't it though?
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posted 02-18-2019 04:34 PM
I with Boom, in a way. I say we take the money that has been confiscated t at the border and fund the wall with that. I'm sure there's more than enough to start on a wall. All of those who don't want a wall on their property will have a neon sign pointing to their property to allow all the help they're looking for!
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posted 02-19-2019 12:50 PM
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But it is a very visible, made-for-TV movement of people, organized and funded externally.
Haven't heard this....got any specifics?
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posted 02-19-2019 04:09 PM
MM, let me try your approach. Simply ask yourself a few questions... how did you know about this group of people? WHEN did you find out? At the point when this became "news", had the group started their journey? How did any of this information reach our collective attention?
A little thought would lead you to the realization that this isn't a random, uncoordinated effort. It is, as I said, a made-for-TV publicity effort. So, who is behind it? Who funded it? Why?
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posted 02-19-2019 05:19 PM
And what has happened to these caravans? It's like this was the story of the century, but now all of sudden it's not even a story anymore. Did they all just turn around and go home?
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posted 02-20-2019 06:28 AM
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A little thought would lead you to the realization that this isn't a random, uncoordinated effort. It is, as I said, a made-for-TV publicity effort. So, who is behind it? Who funded it? Why?
"A Little thought" probably disqualifies me so I'll leave to you to answer the questions.
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posted 02-20-2019 10:19 AM
MM. Your self deprecation and provocative, leading questions, are nothing but an attempt to stir the pot and upset people. You are obviously not as stupid as you pretend to be, when you act like these are questions you are seeking the answer to. You are doing no such thing. You are totally capable of doing a quick search of the internet and finding the answers to these little jewels you keep dropping here on TCD. You remind me of someone poking a stick through the fence at a vicious dog, thinking it can't get to you. You have already ran off SCWC, ukcatfannfl and no telling how many others. I'm here to tell you, this crap has to stop, and stop right now.
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posted 02-20-2019 12:26 PM
I'll get back with you, Norm...a lot to digest.
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posted 02-21-2019 12:48 PM
Ya know what, Norm? I believe I'll just take some time off from TCD...probably best for everybody.
In the meantime, would you mind reading over this a couple times.
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Woah! I think we are all more comfortable talking with like-minded individuals, but this is the Civil Debate and Other Hot Topics board. The key words there are "civil" and "debate". In other words, this is a place to be exposed to ideas that may make you uncomfortable. You can choose to engage in debate, or no But you MUST remain civil.That means no calling people out by name or implying bad intent.
This is appropriate, impartial and just. It is a blueprint on how to call someone out without calling someone out….the guilty party is never mentioned by name…no need to inject unnecessary indignity or embarrassment.
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