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handycat
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posted 01-30-2019 07:06 PM
Every last one of them is passive and naive. I hope our President fires them all and puts some of his own appointees in there. And that's all I've got to say about that.🙄
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posted 01-30-2019 11:00 PM
I haven't been following anything in Washington lately. What prompted your post, Handy?
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MountainMafia
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posted 01-31-2019 07:43 AM
Ain't trying to speak for hc, but I think he's referring to the latest set of Trump bus tracks across the backs of the entire intel community. Trump said they were "passive and naive" and should "go back to school" because they contradicted virtually everything he has said about NK,Syria, Russia, etc. etc.
Here is an article written by Dana Milbank of the Washington Post (I know, I know..just another agenda-driven liberal rag...but here it is anyways.
I posted the article because I couldn't get the link to take. The title of the article is:
This is what happens when a stable genius leads a stupid country
President Trump is surrounded by fools.
There’s that fool William H. McRaven, Special Operations commander of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, and the other fools in the U.S. military, who should have brought down bin Laden “a lot sooner,” because “everybody in Pakistan” — all 208 million of them — knew the terrorist leader was living in “a nice mansion.” Trump alone “predicted Osama bin Laden” in 2000 when “nobody really knew who he was.”(Were they waiting for Trump to give them bin Laden’s Zip code plus four?)
There are the fools in the CIA, who have concluded based on so-called evidence that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered last month’s killing of Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi. But Trump alone understands that we’ll never know the truth, because the crown prince denied involvement “maybe five different times.”
There’s that fool Chris Wallace at Fox News, who didn’t understand why Trump skipped Arlington National Cemetery on the Monday after Veterans Day after skipping a visit to a U.S. military cemetery in France two days earlier. But Wallace, if he were wiser, would have known Trump was “extremely busy on calls for the country” as well as “doing other things.”
There are the foolish Finns who, after Trump claimed Finland avoided forest fires because “they spent a lot of time on raking,” are now mocking him by posing with garden tools in the woods. But Trump knows Finnish forest-raking is real because Finland’s president, Sauli Niinisto, told him about it just last week (even if Niinisto can’t remember this).
Worst of all are the fools in California — people who insist on calling the fire-destroyed town there “Paradise” instead of “Pleasure,” as Trump prefers to call it — who assert that the fires were caused by drought instead of their own mismanagement. As Trump well knows, “there is no drought” in California and there is “plenty of water.”
No one has suffered as many fools as Trump has. But this is to be expected when a “very stable genius” leads a “stupid country.”
Trump knows “more about courts than any human being.” He knows “more about steelworkers than anybody.” He knows “more about ISIS than the generals do,” and “more about offense and defense than they will ever understand.” He knows “more about wedges than any human being that’s ever lived.” He even knows more about medicine than his doctor, dictating a doctor’s letter predicting he would be “the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency.”
How does Trump know so much about so many things? Explaining his disagreement with scientists on climate change, Trump told the Associated Press: “My uncle was a great professor at MIT for many years. Dr. John Trump. And I didn’t talk to him about this particular subject, but I have a natural instinct for science.”
Given Trump’s natural scientific instinct, you don’t need a B.S. from Trump University to know how frustrating it must be to be contradicted repeatedly by “experts” — some in his own administration!
The intelligence community unanimously believes that Russia meddled in the 2016 election, but Trump’s instinct says there’s no reason to disbelieve Russian President Vladimir Putin’s denials.
Satellite imagery shows that North Korea has enhanced its ability to launch missiles, but Trump says, “I don’t believe that.”
The scientific consensus supports the theory of climate change, but Trump says “it could very well go back” to cooling.
Trump’s instinct has led him to a number of scientific discoveries over time:
“The worst hurricanes were 50 years ago.”
Vaccines cause autism in “many” healthy children.
The flu shot is “totally ineffective.”
Exercise is unhealthy.
Coal is “indestructible.”
Windmills are a “killing field” for birds and can make people who live near turbines “go crazy after a couple of years.”
It’s okay to look directly at the sun during a solar eclipse.
California is “shoving” water out to sea “to protect a certain kind of three-inch fish.”
With such a high level of technical expertise, Trump waited 19 months into his presidency to name a White House science adviser. More than 1,000 members of the National Academy of Sciences accuse Trump of the “denigration of scientific expertise and harassment of scientists.”
But they don’t understand. Trump knows more about science than the scientists do.
And this is the problem with being surrounded by fools: Though Trump gives his presidency an “A-plus,” most Americans — about 60 percent — do not appreciate his brilliance.
He deserves better — and he should demand it. He should walk away, withdraw his excellence, maybe get a place in Pleasure — and leave us to suffer our own foolish “scientists” and “experts” and “facts.” That would really show us.
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handycat
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posted 01-31-2019 08:01 AM
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Ain't trying to speak for hc, but I think he's referring to the latest set of Trump bus tracks across the backs of the entire intel community. Trump said they were "passive and naive" and should "go back to school" because they contradicted virtually everything
That's pretty much what prompted my sarcastic post. BUT, I was not trying to post anything about Trump being unfit to breathe the same air as the rest of us. I believe the Washington Post writer was hinting at something to that effect.
I get terribly frustrated at our President appointing what I believe to be good people to important offices and then throwing them out with the dishwater. It happens time and time again.
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posted 01-31-2019 10:26 AM
I agree, hc, that most of this stuff is just "Trump being Trump" (whatever that means) and doesn't amount to much. But, this is our national security he is playing "know it all" with.
These are good, competent and dedicated people appointed by Trump, who's only mission is to safeguard our nation. I'm sure the last thing they wanted to do is contradict the president.
I recognize Trump's right and authority to disagree with his intel agencies assessments and recommendations, and to unilaterally override them. What I don't agree with, and consider very dangerous, is him doing it publicly...once standing 5 feet from Vladimir Putin. No other world leader I know of has ever done this.
My biggest question is why?
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posted 01-31-2019 12:46 PM
As opposed to "giving" Iran a nulear bomb(before trump) and calling the isi the "jv team" and allowing an American to die in NK..no negotiating in NK on the nuclear option either. and how about lying to the cause of a US Amb dying in Benghazi?
Previous foreign policy was either to kick the can down the road or give in so the admin could say we have "negotiated" something anything...
yep they were smart back in the day!!!
(one thing u r right about MM the Wash Post is a left wing radical paper)
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MountainMafia
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posted 01-31-2019 01:29 PM
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As opposed to "giving" Iran a nulear bomb(before trump) and calling the isi the "jv team" and allowing an American to die in NK..no negotiating in NK on the nuclear option either. and how about lying to the cause of a US Amb dying in Benghazi?
Previous foreign policy was either to kick the can down the road or give in so the admin could say we have "negotiated" something anything...
yep they were smart back in the day!!!
(one thing u r right about MM the Wash Post is a left wing radical paper)
Does any of that make it ok for Trump to publicly call out and insult his intelligence agencies? C'on Ed, you know that ain't right!
These are strong republicans who were appointed by Trump, who support Trump and will faithfully carry out his orders, whether they agree or not.
No need for this.....None!
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posted 01-31-2019 02:09 PM
Perhaps they may wish they carry out his agenda - after all he is the President...
People can not stand the fact he is not a politician and doesn't kiss assss to anyone especially the media...
He works for all the people of the US - better than the last one...
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posted 01-31-2019 03:31 PM
I agree his policy's are much better than the last one and he is certainly better than the alternative we had.
I just have a hard time understanding (accepting) his way of doing business. It's like he expects unwavering loyalty from his "helpers" but he does not reciprocate that loyalty. You can make the argument that the only people he owes loyalty to are the people who voted him in office. He certainly has that regardless as to what he says or does.
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posted 01-31-2019 03:36 PM
If Washington was filled with patriots we wouldn't have on ongoing public coup that is is being backed by the media.
It is disgraceful the way the politicians ignore what is best for the country. The republican party is not that great, but the dem party has lost their damn minds going full blown socialist with their agenda.
The former CIA director running his mouth about the current administration and then gets pissy that his credentials get pulled. Obama running his mouth and following the countries that Trump had been to talk to them, when a former POTUS is supposed to fade away into the woodwork and keep his damn mouth shut.
We still haven't seen anyone go down for the illegal spying on the Trump campaign.
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MountainMafia
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posted 01-31-2019 03:38 PM
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People can not stand the fact he is not a politician and doesn't kiss assss to anyone especially the media...
That doesn't bother me nearly as much as this:
Link
spelling correction....yeah, I know, get a life.
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posted 01-31-2019 04:37 PM
Boom, I didn't get my information about this from the media, I got it from the POTUS's Twitter account. Color me pitiful, I do follow him on Twitter.
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posted 01-31-2019 04:41 PM
I have really strong opinions on what Ms Sanders said, but I'll not comment on it. The more you stir "it" the more it stinks. In fact, that might be a good rule for others to follow as well. Please think about that
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posted 01-31-2019 05:02 PM
Anyone who follows the news at all should be well aware that anything written by the Washington Post or New York times is written to try to bring down the Trump administration. Yes, Trump has a big mouth and gets carried away from time to time but there is no doubt in my mind that he loves America and is trying to do what he thinks is best for the country. Our country has been run from inside the beltway far too long and the lobbyists etc there do not want anyone taking away their power.
That Washinngton Post article is pure garbage. This country got sold down the river by Obama and John Kerry with the Iranian deal and hopefully Trump has put the ax to that. Obama set our country back many, many years and I just hope Trump has the wisdom to get us back to our rightfully place in the world. I think he does need to replace a lot of his so called intelligence people.
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posted 01-31-2019 06:07 PM
[QUOTE] [/ The more you stir "it" the more it stinks. In fact, that might be a good rule for others to follow as well. Please think about that
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As usual, Norm you're right. I really need to quit posting on this part of the board. All it does is cause ill feelings among friends. At least I hope we all consider each other friends.
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Old Norm
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posted 01-31-2019 07:07 PM
Not from you, Handy.
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posted 01-31-2019 09:43 PM
ok norm I will take myself out of the "posting" here and keep it for b-ball. I respect you too much to have to be told and told. tks
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MountainMafia
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posted 02-01-2019 06:19 AM
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I have really strong opinions on what Ms Sanders said, but I'll not comment on it. The more you stir "it" the more it stinks. In fact, that might be a good rule for others to follow as well. Please think about that
Never been my intent to "stir" anything but debate, Norm. If the subject is sensitive then it is closed...no problem.
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I really need to quit posting on this part of the board. All it does is cause ill feelings among friends. At least I hope we all consider each other friends.
You can't do us like that, hc. You (and Tiptree) recognize and demonstrate that one can be supportive of the president and demand accountability too....a rare gem indeed...but that's what patriots do...
As far as ill feelings? I can't say this emphatically enough...I have zero, none, nada, zilch hard feelings toward any TCD member...no reason to, it's just freaking politics...I got too much serious stuff going on in my life to take political discussions personally.
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posted 02-01-2019 11:17 AM
Ed, I too will stay out of these conversations if you are. One liberal has destroyed this platform and that is a shame. I am not afraid to say MM is a cancer to this forum, is now and always has been. Goodbye Cats Domain, I like to have good discussions on viable topics but I am logging off never to come back. Many years here and not that many of us left. Such a shame that this forum has gone this way. I will miss it. I am also getting out of the basketball section. I hate to see this forum die but it has been dying a slow death for a couple of years now. I have so many fond memories of the basketballl discussions and some of the political discussions but the hassle is just not worth it anymore, at least to me.
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posted 02-01-2019 11:28 AM
SCWC, please check your private messages. I wish I had never started this damn topic.
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posted 02-01-2019 12:13 PM
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One liberal has destroyed this platform and that is a shame. I am not afraid to say MM is a cancer to this forum, is now and always has been.
Just because it's painful doesn't mean it's cancerous.
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posted 02-01-2019 12:30 PM
Woah! I think we are all more comfortable talking with like-minded individuals, but this is the Civil Debate and Other Hot Topics board. The key words there are "civil" and "debate". In other words, this is a place to be exposed to ideas that may make you uncomfortable. You can choose to engage in debate, or not. But you MUST remain civil.
That means no calling people out by name or implying bad intent. I find no fault in MM's posts, other than he comes from a completely different POV than most of us. For a parallel, recall the days when we had a Tar Heels fan posting among us. Somehow we managed to welcome him and remain civil despite being worlds apart in our basketball views. Why is that so hard here regarding our political views?
Please, there is no need for anybody to remove themselves from this forum. There IS a need to remember that those who think differently than us are still human, still creations of the same God, and still have the first amendment rights to express their opinion freely. You can disagree with the message, but do not attack the messenger.
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posted 02-01-2019 01:00 PM
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there is no need for anybody to remove themselves from this forum.
Couldn't agree more.
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