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posted 08-17-2018 10:45 AM
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posted 08-17-2018 11:49 AM
I think there are several people in the FBI and justice department that should be investigated and prosecuted. Our government became much too political during the Obama era and it is now time to get back to being non bias once again. If Sessions had any balls at all, he would have lots of internal investigations going on regarding people like Orr and others.
I am not sure the Justice department is capable of investigating itself though.
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posted 08-17-2018 02:10 PM
What a frickin' mess. Orr's wife works for Fusion GPS, so the much-publicized "firing" of that firm meant absolutely nothing. They were still passing info to the FBI to fuel the "Trump Dossier".
I hate to say it, but I agree that the DOJ is riddled with radical anti-Trump democrats who are actively seeking to destroy him. Our institutions have become tools of political assassination.
I am quite sure that the DOJ cannot be trusted to police itself. I think this requires a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of this and clean house.
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posted 08-18-2018 10:27 AM
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The dossier, which was used by federal officials to justify the surveillance of a top Trump aide, Carter Page,
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I hate to say it, but I agree that the DOJ is riddled with radical anti-Trump democrats who are actively seeking to destroy him.
I agree there are those seeking to expose , Trump...doesn't mean they are doing anything illegal or underhanded to do it.
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I am quite sure that the DOJ cannot be trusted to police itself.
Personally, I don't trust any organization to police themselves.
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posted 08-18-2018 10:48 AM
"I agree there are those seeking to expose , Trump...doesn't mean they are doing anything illegal or underhanded to do it"
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Expose? to what?
So far they are prosecuting Manafort on a 2005 charge.
That is a total waste of taxpayer money to use the corrupt fbi on a witch hunt.
Illegal? surely I dont have to mention the fisa warrants for example..
You probably believe Hillay committed no crimes due to the language of Comey's memo...
no no the fix was in to elect Hillary and if she was we would know NOTHING about how corrupt the FBI is...
The left wing has been totally exposed!
p.s. "underhanded" the entire fbi probe has been underhanded at the minimum and illegal at the maximum....
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posted 08-19-2018 05:36 AM
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So far they are prosecuting Manafort on a 2005 charge.
What's Mueller supposed to do let him go?
Actually so far 32 people and 3 companies have been indicted or pleaded guilty. Also, bear in mind that Manafort attended the "Trump Tower meeting" with the 2 J's...Jr. and Jared. Both, along with King Don, have not yet been interviewed by Muller.
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Illegal? surely I dont have to mention the fisa warrants for example.
You can mention them if you want.
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no no the fix was in to elect Hillary
Wrong again....the fix was in to elect Trump...Vlad even said so.
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posted 08-20-2018 06:19 AM
MM Your Boy Obama said there was no Russian Meddling in the election. Told Trump to quit trying to make up things and go out and get votes. Said so himself. You wouldn't want to go back on a Dem(whit) President, would you?
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posted 08-20-2018 08:09 AM
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MM Your Boy Obama said there was no Russian Meddling in the election. Told Trump to quit trying to make up things and go out and get votes. Said so himself. You wouldn't want to go back on a Dem(whit) President, would you?
Never heard that before...tell me more.
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posted 08-20-2018 10:45 AM
Just go to any search engine and type in "Obama: Stop whining". Take your pick.
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posted 08-20-2018 11:52 AM
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Obama to Trump: 'Stop whining' By NOLAN D. MCCASKILL 10/18/2016 01:04 PM EDT Share on Facebook Share on Twitter President Barack Obama has a blunt message for Donald Trump: “Stop whining.” Speaking alongside Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi in the Rose Garden, Obama dismissed Trump's incessant talk of a rigged election as a whimper coming out of a campaign that treats this election like a joke. “There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, in part because they’re so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved,” Obama said. “There’s no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time,” he continued. “And so, I ‘d advise Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.” Trump as recently as Tuesday morning maintained that the election is rigged, even attacking Republicans during an interview with conservative radio host Mike Gallagher for breaking with him on his baseless claims. “One of the great things about America’s democracy,” Obama said, is that the U.S. holds “a vigorous, sometimes bitter, political contest” in which the loser congratulates the winner. “That’s how democracy survives. Because we recognize that there’s something more important than any individual campaign, and that is making sure that the integrity and trust in our institutions sustains itself because democracy, by definition, works by consent, not by force,” he said. “I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place.” ADVERTISING Obama called such a move an “unprecedented” claim that “happens to be based on no facts.” He noted that election experts of all stripes have said “that instances of significant voter fraud are not to be found.” The president pointed to Florida, where Republican Rick Scott, a Trump supporter, is governor. “The notion that somehow if Mr. Trump loses Florida it’s because of ‘those people that you have to watch out for,’ that is both irresponsible and, by the way, doesn’t really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you’d want out of a president.” “If you start whining before the game’s even over, if whenever things are going badly for you and you lose, you start blaming somebody else, then you don’t have what it takes to be in this job,” Obama said. “Because there are a lot of times when things don’t go our way — or my way. That’s OK. You fight through it. You work through it. You try to accomplish your goals.” Obama said he believes if Hillary Clinton were to lose in November, he’d expect his former secretary of state to concede and vow to work with President Trump to ensure Americans benefit from an effective government. “If he got the most votes then it would be my expectation of Hillary Clinton to offer a gracious concession speech and pledge to work with him in order to make sure that the American people benefit from an effective government,” he said. “And it would be my job to welcome Mr. Trump, regardless of what he’s said about me or my differences with him on my opinions, and escort him over to the Capitol, in which there would be a peaceful transfer of power. That’s what Americans do. That’s why America’s already great.” quote:
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posted 08-20-2018 06:17 PM
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Just go to any search engine and type in "Obama: Stop whining". Take your pick.
Ok...I pick #3
and #7
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posted 08-20-2018 06:45 PM
From both your links: “There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even — you could even rig America’s elections, in part, because they are so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved,” Obama said during a press conference at the White House in October 2016. “There is no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes.”
Explain to me how this could possibly be taken out of context? Are you denying that Obama said this?
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posted 08-20-2018 07:09 PM
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MM Your Boy Obama said there was no Russian Meddling in the election.
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What Hannity did not mention, however, was that Obama’s remarks actually came in response to a reporter’s question about voter fraud and Trump’s claims that the election could be rigged. Obama was not making reference to Russian interference.
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Obama’s remarks were in reference to the then-Republican presidential candidate’s claims that widespread voter fraud would rob him of the election, and his encouragement of his supporters to monitor polling places — and not at all about Russian interference in the election. (Numerous studies have found that voter fraud is very rare in the US.)
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posted 08-21-2018 06:12 AM
So a Russian involvement wouldn't be a rigged election? Makes sense to me!
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posted 08-21-2018 06:15 AM
There is no serious person out there who thinks you could rig an American Election!
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I still can't believe some people believed that LIAR!!!
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posted 08-21-2018 06:59 AM
Semantics, semantics, semantics.
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posted 08-21-2018 07:55 AM
Context matters. Example: It's okay to say "my bad" when you make a mistake....unless you're at a funeral.
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posted 08-21-2018 11:48 AM
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(Numerous studies have found that voter fraud is very rare in the US.) quote:
Explain to me then just how the Russians interfered in our 2016 Election.
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posted 08-21-2018 06:38 PM
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Explain to me then just how the Russians interfered in our 2016 Election.
Voter fraud generally refers to such things as Double voting, dead voters, vote-buying, registration fraud, etc. The Russians used hacked information and propaganda.
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posted 08-21-2018 06:49 PM
I just don't buy the concept that the Russians influenced the outcome of our 2016 elections. The democrats had a really bad candidate in Hillary Clinton and she let a novice beat her fair and square. You will never convince me that Russian Collusion had anything to do with the outcome of that election. I am on the internet all the time and never saw anything on facebook or any of the other sites that were Donald Trump propaganda being put out by Russians.
Collusion is a democratic way of trying to decertify the outcome of a major Trump upset in beating the anointed one and the democratic party and main stream media just can't seem to get over it. Trump is no saint but I don't think he ever colluded with the Russians in beating Hillary Clinton.
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posted 08-29-2018 10:09 PM
I still have the recorded message on my answering machine from Vladimir Putin saying, “vote Trump!”
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posted 08-31-2018 08:44 AM
When did the spreading of lies a false information become defined as meddling in an election rather than being considered politics as usual?
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posted 08-31-2018 10:12 AM
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When did the spreading of lies a false information become defined as meddling in an election rather than being considered politics as usual?
When a foreign government, especially your most dangerous adversary, is the one spreading the lies and false information.
Scenario:
You and your wife are having a discussion/argument about how to discipline your child. You want to ground him/her for a month-your wife says a week is enough. You're being too hard...she's being too soft..yada, yada, yada.
Suddenly your uninvited, nosy neighbor knocks on the door and says "I couldn't help but overhear your discussion and I believe your wife is right, you're being too hard". How would you react?
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posted 08-31-2018 10:45 AM
I'm pretty sure I would ignore the neighbor and tell him to get the hell off my porch.
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posted 08-31-2018 10:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure I would ignore the neighbor and tell him to get the hell off my porch.
...and stay the hell out of our business!
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posted 08-31-2018 11:35 AM
IMO, Russia is NOT our most dangerous enemy. China is. And according to some reports, they were tapped into Hillary's personal server in real time. And that's not even to mention the Chinese spy driving Dianne Feinstein around for 20 years.
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posted 08-31-2018 12:43 PM
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IMO, Russia is NOT our most dangerous enemy. China is.
That's an opinion you're certainly entitled to Norm.
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And according to some reports, they were tapped into Hillary's personal server in real time.
Just reports...no evidence.
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And that's not even to mention the Chinese spy driving Dianne Feinstein around for 20 years.
When she was informed by the FBI what did she do about it?
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posted 08-31-2018 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by MountainMafia:
[QUOTE]Just reports...no evidence
Sorta like Russian collusion?
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posted 08-31-2018 01:51 PM
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Sorta like Russian collusion?
Touche' Norm. I would just add so far.
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posted 08-31-2018 03:57 PM
"And according to some reports, they were tapped into Hillary's personal server in real time.
Just reports...no evidence."
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One is naive if they dont think that our unclassified server{s} can not and or not been comprised by our enemies.
As a +31 yr veteran of the State Dept I can tell you that anytime a unclassified personal system is being used by anyone, especially a Secretary of State, it IS and will be intercepted by several other unauthorized persons (counties)...
There have been reports that this in fact has happened..
Just transmitting them over a non-classified system is a felony in itself .....TS Codeword is a big deal and if I or any official had "knowingly" done so there would be jail time involved!
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posted 08-31-2018 06:55 PM
One has to wonder why Hillary used a personal, unsecured server in her official capacity. She had to have been advised of the consequences of doing so, yet, she did it anyway.
Perhaps she wanted our adversaries to know what we were up to? That is a disturbing thought, going far beyond "collusion" to "treason". One might assume that she was using that to feed disinformation to our enemies, but I can't imagine that would fly. One unsecured server can compromise the entire network.
But, of course, our left-leaning DOJ found no cause to prosecute. As Ed says, if her name wasn't "Clinton", she would be serving jail time.
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posted 08-31-2018 07:12 PM
"One has to wonder why Hillary used a personal, unsecured server in her official capacity. She had to have been advised of the consequences of doing so, yet, she did it anyway."
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Tip I am sure she used it for convenience as certain protocols are used for certain classified messages and also because she didn't want what she was saying and getting replies to, be part of the "official record"...
I dont think Trump is going to rest until that investigation is reopened and once it is there is trb coming for a lot of people..
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posted 09-01-2018 12:19 PM
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he didn't want what she was saying and getting replies to, be part of the "official record"...
Well, it may not be in OUR official record, but it certainly is in China's, Russia's, and who know who else's records!
You guys who are not in IT have no idea how quickly an unsecured server can be compromised. In the college I used to work for, our servers would receive thousands of port scans every second, from people looking for vulnerabilities that they could exploit. And one time, we had an old server that was about to be replaced, so the sys admins didn't keep it patched up with the latest security upgrades. I came in one day and logged on, only to be greeted by a green-screen character-based rendition of the Communist Chinese flag and a message in Mandarin.
There is NO WAY in HELL that her server wasn't compromised. ZERO chance.
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posted 09-02-2018 01:49 PM
Tip I couldn't agree more and very aware how the govt works! one of my responsibilities was being in charge of IT at State including FOIA and worked with COMSEC folks; One could not delete 30k plus emails on any official account as there would be records of all at state.
If someone who used his/her own private servers had won then more than likely there would be a direct link for any country who would like to know what is going on in the office won, based on that persons disregard for security!
Think about the consequences.. Mind boggling to say the least!
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