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posted 06-14-2017 07:47 AM      Profile for SCWC     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This article came to me in an e mail and I found it in an article in the Washington Post. Thank you Navy for standing up for our country and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, UCMJ:


She gave an interview to International Business Times in which she said she was checking the latest news before starting work for government contractor Leidos at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickham in Hawaii and saw a report on the death of a black man who was shot and killed by a local police officer on a road in Tulsa, Okla.

“That was the last story I saw before the song started playing, and I was really sad and I just didn’t want to stand at that moment,” Ervin said.

She thought, “I can’t stand for this song knowing that the song isn’t for me, being black. The song doesn’t represent me at all.”

Her protest followed that of quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who repeatedly knelt during the national anthem to call attention to what he saw as discrimination against people of color.

Other athletes followed suit.

Ervin was called in for a meeting the next morning with superior officers and read her rights, The Washington Post reported. She said the only thing she told the officers was that she was a special security officer.

The next day, Ervin was told that her security clearance was being taken away, the Post said. She said she was sent to the Executive Transportation Office — a VIP parking center for the base — and told to wash and wax cars, pull weeds, clean the locker room and perform other menial tasks.

Ervin left the base as scheduled on Friday, Sept. 23; at home, she found an email from her supervisor at Leidos, telling her not to show up for work on Monday.

She said that she was fired from her job at Leidos, a government contractor, after someone from the Navy called her employer to say her clearance was suspended. Ervin told International Business Times on Dec. 22 that the company’s human resources department told her there was no work for her without a security clearance.

Leidos paid Ervin through her original end-of-service date. The Navy is not pursuing charges.

“Petty Officer Janaye Ervin has fulfilled her obligation of enlistment and was honorably discharged from the United States Navy,” a Navy Reserve Forces spokesperson said in response to an IBT request for comment.

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posted 06-14-2017 09:08 AM      Profile for boomdaddy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It appears that, in the past, civilian and former government employees/military were handed out security clearances routinely and that is how information gets stolen and secrets get compromised.

Under Obama, even the military was being pushed to be politically correct. PC has to stop, especially when national security is at stake.

If a citizen is proven to be unpatriotic, they should not have a security clearance. Refusing to stand for the national anthem is a big deal and she said she did not feel a part of the country. What is next? She will have allegiance to some other country or cause and might already be down that path. I do think the government should keep tabs on her.

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posted 06-14-2017 10:05 AM      Profile for SCWC     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was happy to see the Navy take away her security clearance, that will keep her from having access to our nation's secrets which there is no doubt from her attitude that she would share them with anyone interested. I know that when I got my security clearance many years ago, the FBI went back to my community, talked to people who had known me all my life as well as talking to my former teachers. I wonder just how strict they are currently with handing out these clearances, it was a very big deal when I had to have it.

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posted 06-14-2017 01:02 PM      Profile for boomdaddy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do not know how the process works. I have heard that clearances expire and civilians and military have to get rechecked.

I am guessing that the number of clearances has mushroomed to a huge number, since your days, because of modern technology and that there are so many positions that deal with or have access to personal data.

Those movies where a person can be smeared by a few mouse clicks can darn sure happen in this day and age. People have bee put on the no fly list, for example, incorrectly, because they were linked by a name. I applied for a loan one time and had two other peoples debts tied to my name and had them removed.

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posted 06-14-2017 03:20 PM      Profile for Tiptree   Email Tiptree   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
SCWC, the same process is in place today. I have been interviewed by the FBI once as they checked a former employee for clearance, and my wife (in her role as a professor) has had multiple interviews regarding former students. They seem to remain diligent in doing background checks on character.

America is nothing but the idea that a nation isn't a specific ethnic group (see, for example, France or Germany), but a collection of people who come here voluntarily to live under the rule of law, pursue opportunities on their own initiative, with shared responsibilities and benefits. Over the last 50 years, that has become less and less true, and today, it seems that most Americans identify as "hyphenated" Americans (Latino-American, African-American, etc.) or some other sub-culture (LBGT, WASP, Islam, etc.) than just "Americans". Coincidental with that is the rise of the "entitlement" class, where working to get ahead is abandoned in favor of seeking ever more freebies from the government teat. That is the beginning of the end of The Great Experiment, I fear.


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posted 06-15-2017 12:59 AM      Profile for SCWC     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the update on security clearances Tiptree. I was an easy one for them, my family had lived and farmed and mined in the same county for severall generations and I had no connections with anyone overseas and knew no one who lived abroad way back when I got cleared.

I do fear for the future of this great nations, too much political differences in this current environment and neither the republicans or democrats seem to care for what is truly best for our country.

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posted 06-18-2017 09:23 PM      Profile for ukcatfannfl   Email ukcatfannfl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
security clearances

for top secret

one very extensive initial research of ur background and once completed a ts clearance is issued

updates every five years generally by the fbi state dept agents and retired same under contract.

if anything pops up during the 5 yr update then that person is interviewed and necessary his clearance is revoked.

seen it happen more than once

for above TS there is a whole other series of "must dos" before issued

All clearances are based on "need to know"..

I said all along that Hilary's
clearance should have been revoked once she was sending "any" classified info . that would have stopped the bull crap that went on!

p.s. all commissioned officers are issued ts clearances whether military or civilian..


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